<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I will share the final draft tomorrow morning after Remmy has included views of the FC. I will be away from my laptop today but if needed will finalise the OP with Remmy for fast track this process.</div><div><br></div><div>Apologies for not being able to respond to your emails today, as mentioned, I have a family affairI need to address, thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Have a great weekend.</div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 14/07/2018 10:54 (GMT+02:00) </div><div>To: NCSG Finance Committee <ncsg-fc@lists.ncsg.is> </div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-FC] [DRAFT-2] NCSG-FC Operating Procedures v2 first clean copy </div><div><br></div></div><div><div dir="auto">I answered your question on the doc remmy. Multiple times. </div></div><div><br></div><div>I had a language there that said when someone else other than pir is the donor thwy can choose the constituency they want to send the funds to. There is a language in the document. We can make it generic and just say the funder can choose where to send the money to.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't agree with having an MOU between constituency and treasurer. It's too formal it's unenforceable it's ineffective. </div><div><br></div><div>some questions are being asked multiple times and I have been repeating my answers and had to reiterate some points several times. <br></div><div><br></div><div>so you just don't agree with Thato and I on these issues. You can put my language back and flag that you do not agree with it and suggest a compromise. </div><div><br></div><div>The reason why we need to talk to those who wrote the charter is to understand the rationale of having an FC in the first place. Perhaps you'll be convinced that FCs obligations are really limited. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As you know NCSG EC has to approve the operating procedures. It is very likely that in its current state it will be rejected. </div><div><br></div><div>I am trying to help but I am really running out of suggestions. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 4:24 AM Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Apologies people,<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">I hope we are not being misunderstood here.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Whereas I pointed out why we should NOT personalise our OP to a donor. I remember informing such clauses are needed in MoU not OP. I also asked what happens if the funders are sympathetic to NPOC against NCUC, none of you provided an answer, hence I saw that as greatly unresolved. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There was also the question of </div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> What happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding? We have to be neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We must be wary of introducing ambiguities, because we are likely to return here OP for further guide/information when it's approved by EC.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am glad to put it on record again that you DON'T personalise operating procedures to a given funder, it's like a subtle notes of interpretation of a charter for safe running of an organisation which in this case is tripartite in nature and should not be because a party now have upper hand or is favoured.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That is why I left it with hope that when we agree with our C's chairs and equally observers here, then it could be resolved based on collective bargaining and understanding.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I prefer to resolve issues very clear to me than resetting same as unresolved bearing in mind that someone or something is accommodative can be misleading depending who is interpreting it and may be with more information better understanding can prevail.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And the way forward on this precise issues.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope this response helps</div><div dir="auto">Regards</div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Remmy</div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 Jul 2018 2:54 am, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2222069446578997146quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So Here are some of the points Thato agree with me and you provided your counter-arguments(it's a copy paste of Thato's reply and yours . Thato's comment is in black yours is in red. :</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<span class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><b><u>Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your comment):</u></b><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 1: Obligations of FC members<br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds</div></span><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.</div><span class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 2: Opening an account</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require consensus, edits already made are ok</div></span><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking decision sir.</font></div><span class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 3: Use of constituency bank account</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me<br></div></span><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.</font></div><div class="m_2222069446578997146signature-text"><span class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div></span>
<br></div></div><div class="m_2222069446578997146signature-text"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><div class="m_2222069446578997146elided-text"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 6:42 PM Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Sorry if you felt otherwise.<div dir="auto">I only resolve the issues I was clear have been discussed and an understanding established.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am precisely interested in ensuring fair engagement, so do a pointer to the ones you and Thato had an agreement on and it will be taken as resolve.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I also reworked some as he proposed with hope that will make same better sense.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why do you intend inviting supposed drafters of NCSG charter? As far as this charter is concerned they do not have any privilege of decision so why that route. If there are issues we can resolve with voting as contained in charter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">RN</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm Thato Mfikwe, <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Farzaneh,</div><div><br></div><div>Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please elaborate? Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Remmy </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato agreed with me and had suggested alternatives. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these issues before we discuss with the members. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts about. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Moreover, we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_-1807754496725502702m_8362298162129579928m_3301668016183855674gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_-1807754496725502702m_8362298162129579928h5"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_-1807754496725502702m_8362298162129579928h5"><div dir="ltr">Please see link for the first clean copy.<div><br></div><div>Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing</a><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_-1807754496725502702m_8362298162129579928m_3301668016183855674m_6712635912958894978gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">____<div>REMMY NWEKE, <font size="1">mNGE</font>, </div><div>Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, <br><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)">DigitalSENSE Africa Media</span> <span>[<i>Multiple-award winning medium</i>]<br></span>(<a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">DigitalSENSE Business News</a>; <a href="http://www.itrealms.com.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ITREALMS</a>, <a href="http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">NaijaAgroNet</a>)</div><div>Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos<br>M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">@ITRealms<br></a><div>Author: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria</a></div><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#ff0000">South-South <a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable</a></font></b> </div><div>(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). 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</blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Jul 2018 10:52 pm, "Thato Mfikwe" <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Farzaneh,</div><div><br></div><div>Which points do you have doubts about on the Charter and why? Secondly, is this the first time these doubts or concerns are emerging, if not please elaborate? Thanks.</div><div class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314signature-text"><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div></div><div class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Remmy </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">How is this a second draft? You kept most of the issues that we flagged unresolved and kept your original language. Even the ones which Thato agreed with me and had suggested alternatives. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You should either as the penholder suggest a compromise, or flag all these issues before we discuss with the members. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also, at this stage, I think we need to have a meeting with those who drafted the NCSG charter to discuss and clarify the points we have doubts about. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Moreover, we need to discuss inviting two more members to join the FC. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_8362298162129579928m_3301668016183855674gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_8362298162129579928h5"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:12 PM Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_8362298162129579928h5"><div dir="ltr">Please see link for the first clean copy.<div><br></div><div>Items left unresolved are the ones I thought needs more discussion except if those who made points there decides its ok then, let me know.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit?usp=sharing</a><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_2222069446578997146m_4065147590575870938m_2612798920608677314m_8362298162129579928m_3301668016183855674m_6712635912958894978gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">____<div>REMMY NWEKE, <font size="1">mNGE</font>, </div><div>Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, <br><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)">DigitalSENSE Africa Media</span> <span>[<i>Multiple-award winning medium</i>]<br></span>(<a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">DigitalSENSE Business News</a>; <a href="http://www.itrealms.com.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ITREALMS</a>, <a href="http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">NaijaAgroNet</a>)</div><div>Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos<br>M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">@ITRealms<br></a><div>Author: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria</a></div><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#ff0000">South-South <a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable</a></font></b> </div><div>(Uyo, Akwa-Ibom State). 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