<div><div dir="auto">Thanks. Please see my comments inline </div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 6:32 PM Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Hi Thato et al</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thanks too for this mail. I sent us a separate mail. Not sure you got or saw it before this. However, my response will be in line of your mail.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><b><u>Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your comment):</u></b><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 1: Obligations of FC members<br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I really do not know what you mean here. Are you referencing the oversight as contained in the OP. This is why there is need for harmonisation meeting/session, so as to have everyone on the same page and table.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 2: Opening an account</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require consensus, edits already made are ok</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">Mr. Chairman, I think, every decision of FC deserves to have a relative consensus, so that no one will tomorrow claim sidelined. I pray we are not heading towards that. The OP including the Charter have means of taking decision sir.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">For the first draft to be reviewed by members, while declaring that FC has not made any consensus decision, its OK. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 3: Use of constituency bank account</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me<br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">Sorry sir, I do not think so. Personalising and customising Operating Procedure the way she proposed to PIR is not ideal. Like I asked what happens if tomorrow there is funding support from a funder more sympathic to NPOC, do we have to change the OP again and what happens if we have PIR and another still with NPOC co-funding. We have to be a neutral as possible so as to accommodate any funder at all.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I have responded to Remmy on Google doc. The only external funding to NCSG in 2019 I believe is going to be PIR. For any other external funding to be made to NCSG, I have added a language that the external funder can decide which constituency They want to use. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You could make the paragraph general anD say the funder can decide. I don't recommend it in case of PIR. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members<br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to monitor</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">iii.<span> </span><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">c & d. Removal</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">Rephrasing has already been done by me and pasted there but because I do not have editing powers, it was not adjusted and we need to look at it together.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">At the moment rephrase of removal is fine with me except. the ICANN staff removal which should be thoroughly removed. We don't escalate things to the CEO if there is a problem with staff support. As the last resort we escalate to senior staff in charge. I don't at all recommend anything to be mentioned about staff. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 5: Disbursement of funds</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on the FC regarding this</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">I think that the Operating Procedure will help us develop the disbursing formula, so that when we are sending or sharing this with our community, it will be a little comprehensive. Like i said earlier, we FC needs to meet to harmonise some of these thoughts before sharing, otherwise it will amount to sharing our dirty clothing in the public. And the haste to share this without resolving these thoughts connotes a different agenda that we must watch.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I have suggested language for disbursement. Being honest with members about disagreements is nothing to be ashamed of. They can help us with their comments.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to fund constituencies, <b>please provide your comments</b>.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">Mr. Chairman, I am still in as the penholder, that is if Farzaneh has reinstated that, but then, this document will not be ready from my end by 17pm UTC tomorrow as proposed, because I already have a scheduled field visit on Friday and may not come back or even with steady access until Saturday morning. And I am not sure why the haste to share this without resolving the various thoughts already made by FC members.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes. Let's not be hasty. Another week or two would not really affect Fc. Remember there is no external funding waiting for us now. This is all for 2019. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font><br><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC. If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss other issues via email, thanks.</div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">This point, I raised it earlier and it should be Farzaneh that should provide an answer because she shared the link in the name of 'Hold us accountable" topic. Although I was expecting her to correct herself and follow the guideline you as chair earlier shared with us on how to move forward. I also think the sanctity of FC needed to be respected and we must see ourselves as one to make progress.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is nothing to correct myself about. This list is open archive. I never anniunced comment on this link. A member has been curious enough to see our activities, they can click on any link and comment. They can even send an email to this mailing list according to the charter and I encourage the moderator not to stop it from reaching us. You cant really stop comments. What you could do is to say their comments will be considered during the comment period. </div><div dir="auto">Sanctity? No. Sorry weren't you talking about dirty clothing? There is no sanctity. There are disagreements. Open to be discussed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">For us to have a harmonised discuss, there should be a formal meeting beginning with a doodle to enable people adjust their time schedules since we are not all in the same time zone.</font></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000">I honestly do not know why you want us to hurriedly close the editing and continue discussion online. Once the draft is shared, its FC that shared it and is responsible for its content and I would not like us to start sounding like broken bottle at the community space, except if there are questions that needed clarifications, so as to avoid us dominating discuss on the community space.</font></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">I have said multiple times. No rush. Let's see if we can come to an agreement during a meeting. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am going to a retreat until the end of July. Let's have a meeting during the month of August. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This doesn't mean FC has to stop its fundraising activities. Let's prioritize. We don't have external funding yet. So You don't really need to focus how to disburse funded. Fundraising activities can be done. We can pick other activtivities.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My many many cents and dollar bills. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Farzaneh </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#ff0000"></font></div>
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Violators may face court persecution.<br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:47 PM Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>1. Thanks for all the efforts going into making an input on the OP. Today we need to develop a clean document to be shared publicly with the community tomorrow. For purposes of presenting a unified FC OP document I would like to recommend the following edits to clean up the document.</div><div><br></div><div><b><u>Sections requiring edits based on current comment (subject to your comment):</u></b><br></div><div>Section 1: Obligations of FC members<br></div><div>iii. Lets leave the way Farzaneh has amended it</div><div>iv. The FC does not manage constituency funds</div><div><br></div><div>Section 2: Opening an account</div><div>ii. The edits made are not material to the extend that they require consensus, edits already made are ok</div><div><br></div><div>Section 3: Use of constituency bank account</div><div>Edits done by Farzaneh seem to be accomodative with me<br></div><div><br></div><div>Section 4: Vacancies and removal of FC members<br></div><div>i & ii. It is cumbersome to have this clauses and as they are difficult to monitor</div><div>iii. <br></div><div>a. Few edits were made but please feel free to provide your comments</div><div>c & d. Removal</div><div>e. Needs to be rephrased or deleted</div><div><br></div><div>Section 5: Disbursement of funds</div><div>v. A formula or approach on how finances should be disbursed needs to be developed and approved by the NCSG EC, seems like there is no consensus on the FC regarding this</div><div>vi. Not sure why Farzaneh deleted this because constituencies need to plan their expenses for financial planning purposes, failure to do so will result in fruitless and irrational spending and uninformed decisions to fund constituencies, please provide your comments</div><div><br></div><div>2. I will go through the remaining sections and send an update so that we have the document ready by 17pm UTC tomorrow. We now need one penholder that will fairly express the view of the FC while acknowledging minority views and comments in completiontion of this draft OP. Remmy initially was the penholder, @Remmy, are you still up for it?</div><div><br></div><div>3. Anyway, there is something I am not understanding, why is James Gannon editing and deleting content on the document? If someone can be kind to do an introduction because the document is still under development by the FC. If we can agree on 1 penholder we can close the editing rights and discuss other issues via email, thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div><div><br></div><div>.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:55 PM, Remmy Nweke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Thanks as we look forward to reading you more.<div dir="auto">Keep well</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-2596133199867987092m_875396931411188667h5"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:57 am farzaneh badii, <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-2596133199867987092m_875396931411188667h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please find below my comments/modification/ deletion and addition to NCSG FC operating procedures. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Will do some additional edits no later than Friday. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xUEOsE5Ju4ZnmJKK3M43cHWltrElt1W5YPy2LOaT9r4/edit#</a></font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Best </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_-2596133199867987092m_875396931411188667m_-8194926703380632333m_1079102425182866324gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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