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<div>Milton is the NCUC Treasurer and administers their funds through an organisational account at a bank in Atlanta, Georgia. The NCUC does have a US Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN). In recent years the account balance has been in the general area of around $80,000.</div>
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<div>It does not appear as if Robin or anyone else has been using the NCSG as an organ for receiving or spending funds. All seems to have been done at the Constituency level. We appear to be breaking new ground by trying to establish something at the SG level, as required by the NCSG Charter.</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: "Sam Lanfranco" <lanfran@yorku.ca><br />
<b>Sent</b>: Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:19 PM<br />
<b>To</b>: egmorris1@toast.net, "NCSG Finance Committee" <ncsg-fc@lists.ncsg.is><br />
<b>Subject</b>: [NCSG-FC] Moving Forward</span>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ed.,<br />
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As part of getting the history of financials sorted out you might want to ask both Robin Gross and Milton Mueller if they have any information they can share. I hear occasional rumors (false news) that Milton might administer some funds (NCUC?, NCSG?) but I don't know. Would be worth clearing the air there. Also, in other work I do with the International Society on Third Sector Research (ISTR) I get government updates on the tax status of U.S. NGOs. Something in ipjustice was in their releases a couple of times last year. I think that ipjustice administers no funds for anything in the NCSG constituency but am not sure. Robin could be asked to clear the air there as well.<br />
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As for NPOC, I am now treasurer and we are in the process of moving the account from Belgium, where Rudi administered it, to Canada, where Joan Kerr and I will administer it. I have our transactions records on the Belgium account for 2014-2015 (in Dutch) and hope to have the 2016 records shortly. Things are not moving as fast on that front as I would like so I had to lend NPOC funds for the successful Hyderabad NPOC outreach session, so I am eager to complete the transfer of funds to the Canadian account.<br />
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Tapani is on top of the information with regard to funding the new membership database project.<br />
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Sam<br />
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<i>On 1/14/2017 9:43 AM, Edward Morris wrote:</i></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans
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<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans
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<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans
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<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans
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<b>Sent</b>: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:52 PM<br />
<b>To</b>: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>, "NCSG Finance Committee" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-fc@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-fc@lists.ncsg.is></a><br />
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and request</span> </span>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans
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I would find it embarrassing to have a meeting with Xavier where we put a request on the table to insure that "the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN" but were unable to say what we have had in the past, how it was spent, and how it is administered.<br />
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