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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ed.,<br>
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As part of getting the history of financials sorted out you might
want to ask both Robin Gross and Milton Mueller if they have any
information they can share. I hear occasional rumors (false news)
that Milton might administer some funds (NCUC?, NCSG?) but I don't
know. Would be worth clearing the air there. Also, in other work I
do with the International Society on Third Sector Research (ISTR)
I get government updates on the tax status of U.S. NGOs. Something
in ipjustice was in their releases a couple of times last year. I
think that ipjustice administers no funds for anything in the NCSG
constituency but am not sure. Robin could be asked to clear the
air there as well. <br>
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As for NPOC, I am now treasurer and we are in the process of
moving the account from Belgium, where Rudi administered it, to
Canada, where Joan Kerr and I will administer it. I have our
transactions records on the Belgium account for 2014-2015 (in
Dutch) and hope to have the 2016 records shortly. Things are not
moving as fast on that front as I would like so I had to lend NPOC
funds for the successful Hyderabad NPOC outreach session, so I am
eager to complete the transfer of funds to the Canadian account. <br>
<br>
Tapani is on top of the information with regard to funding the new
membership database project. <br>
<br>
Sam <br>
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<i>On 1/14/2017 9:43 AM, Edward Morris wrote:</i><i><br>
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<div><i>HI Sam,</i></div>
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<div><i>Excellent points.</i></div>
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<div><i>As we know, the NCSG has no bank account. When Robin
Gross was Chair of the NCSG she did raise money and hold
events but I believe the financial part was always done
through the NCUC.</i></div>
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<div><i>Tapani, you've been the leader within the NCSG and NCUC
in trying to both open up the archives of these
organizations and to bring transparency into the current
processes. Can you tell us anything about the past history
of the NCSG FC or, indeed, anything to do with finance in
our SG? </i></div>
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<div><i>I do understand we did receive funds last year for the
new database. Would you be able to tell us what procedure a
group lacking a bank account used to receive and spend the
monies? I think that will help identify some areas we need
to work on.</i></div>
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<div><i>I will also note that in terms of equity, that our SG
does include two constituencies that do interact with ICANN
in many ways. I take our remit under the Charter to include
insuring our two constituencies are treated fairly by ICANN.
Thoughts?</i></div>
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<div><i>Thanks,</i></div>
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font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: "Sam Lanfranco"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca"><lanfran@yorku.ca></a><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:52 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>, "NCSG Finance Committee"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-fc@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-fc@lists.ncsg.is></a><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [NCSG-FC] Acknowledgement, thanks and
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ed, I think that this is a good
and wise suggestion. As a prior step to such a meeting it is
important that we, the NCSG Finance Committee, have some
historical record of NCSG accounts for the past several
years. I for one am completely in the dark as to what funds
there are, where they come from, who administers them, and
where to find the reports of transactions for the past two
or three years.<br>
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I would find it embarrassing to have a meeting with Xavier
where we put a request on the table to insure that "the NCSG
and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial
support from ICANN" but were unable to say what we have had
in the past, how it was spent, and how it is administered.<br>
<br>
Sam<br>
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<font size="-1"><i>On 1/13/2017 3:58 PM, Edward Morris
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Tapani and Sam.</i></font></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida
Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i>I think we all
know that we haven't used the Finance Committee to its
full potential. I look forward to working with both of
you, the NCSG EC and our great membership in building
this vital part of the NCSG.</i></span></div>
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Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i> </i></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida
Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i>The NCSG Charter
§2.6.5 states that "when possible, as enabled for
example by an ICANN meeting, a face-to-face meeting of
the NCSG-FC will be held". To fulfil our Charter
obligations, I would like to ask Chair Tarvainen to
schedule a full meeting of the Finance Committee for
the next ICANN general meeting, ICANN 58, in
Copenhagen.</i></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida
Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i> </i></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida
Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i>I would propose
that we then ask ICANN CFO Xavier Caldez and his team
to shift his committee's presentation and consultation
from the General Meeting of the NCSG to that of the
Finance Committee. The Charter tasks the Finance
Committee to "work with ICANN finance officers to
insure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair
and equivalent financial support from ICANN". I
believe that hosting the ICANN CFO and his team at our
FC meeting will enable us to do just that.</i></span></div>
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Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i> </i></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida
Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i>Thanks again for
your confidence and I look forward to working with
everyone on the FC.</i></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode','Lucida
Grande',Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px"><i>Kind Regards,</i></span></div>
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