<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Michaela, Farzaneh, I will share that we suggest DNS abuse mitigation and remedy and we will see the reactions.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 27 juil. 2026 à 21:10, Michaela Nakayama Shapiro <<a href="mailto:michaela.shapiro@article19.org">michaela.shapiro@article19.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg4849507887903598170">
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I think it depends on what we want to get out of the discussion and if we have something more specific to discuss. If you have something in mind, happy for the conversation to go forward in Bali - I'll never oppose more time to discuss remedy 🙂</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 27 July 2026 13:08<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 7:52 AM Michaela Nakayama Shapiro <<a href="mailto:michaela.shapiro@article19.org" target="_blank">michaela.shapiro@article19.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Agree with Farzaneh that DNS abuse and remedy for abuse mitigation action are strong topics to discuss with ALAC. On SSAC, I don't have anything for the agenda so would suggest rescheduling for a future meeting.</div>
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<div dir="auto">We are working on the topic of remedy. So we want to go around and tell different stakeholders what we mean by that. Lets make these meetings about remedy. </div>
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<div>Thanks Juan for the comment.</div>
<div>yes ALAC has interest in DNS abuse , but I think we might have divergence. Anyway, it can be a good opportunity to discuss and present our side in a constructive manner.</div>
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<div>I asked ALAC and SSAC about scheduling joint sessions but they need to get topics first.</div>
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<div>For ALAC, we can discuss Review of Reviews of we have strong interest. We can bring the topic of DNS abuse while we might have divergent viewpoints. Anything else.</div>
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<div>For SSAC, we had HRIA explanation in last session and there was some reaction. I don't know if we should have follow-up. Is there any other topic we should consider?</div>
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