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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Johan Helsingius <julf@julf.com>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is>; NCSG EC <ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is>; Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Side-meetings at ICANN 74<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have just sent Manal an email but am unsure of which set of the CSG do we wanna reach out to. Are we interested on a conversation with CPH DNS Abuse WGs or with the broader CSG leadership ? <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:49 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yes Bruna, these dialogues are going to be very useful even if it's just reminding GAC of our existence. A few months ago during a meeting with the Board, Manal also expressed interest to have
an informational meeting. We tell them about NCSG and our plans, ask them about their letter to the Board about closed generics, give them our opinion and generally have a chat. We have done these meetings before in 2017 and 2018 and GAC members found it useful.
It even sparked some interesting conversation. Let's rekindle that spark. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Heya, Julf, thanks a lot for commenting on that. Im looking at these meetings as an opportunity to establish a conversation between us and the GAC, not sure how our members feel about that but my main goal is to reset the dialogue. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So id say we maybe need to internally set up agenda items really quick before i go on and schedule the conversation. And I believe closed generics is the main topic, right ? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:35 PM Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should<br>
definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"<br>
(or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams<br>
or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group<br>
representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do<br>
something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case<br>
they might not represent the GAC overall view.<br>
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We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with<br>
them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.<br>
There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to<br>
happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing<br>
back at GAC and the board.<br>
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On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
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> Hope you are well!<br>
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> I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG and <br>
> the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.<br>
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> We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I <br>
> think we should take some advantage from the onsite interactions in The <br>
> Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for <br>
> discussion with both groups.<br>
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> Best,<br>
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