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    <p>Bearing in mind the need to ensure confidentiality of formal
      complaints, which Mr. Aggarwal's latest email to me indicates that
      this is, I reached out to Milton.  He is not prepared to apologize
      to Mr Aggarwal on the list.   i am about to inform Mr. A of this
      fact, and that I have reviewed the messages in question and not
      only do not think he has a valid complaint, but concur with the EC
      that his behaviour on the list violates our acceptable standards. 
      Do you agree with this assessment?</p>
    <p>I suggest we review his membership after the elections are over. 
      in the meantime, if you believe that his conduct after the warning
      in private was issued continues to be outside the boundaries of
      acceptable behaviour, please point me to the evidence and I will
      inform him that the NCSG-EC has removed him from the list.  Period
      of removal should be temporary in my view, pending removal of
      membership if indeed he does not qualify on grounds of his
      commercial activities.</p>
    <p>SP<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-06-03 10:04 a.m., Raphael
      Beauregard-Lacroix wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Good morning, and I hope you all enjoyed a good night's
          sleep...</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>First about the guy:</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>He has shown no willingness to do anything besides continue
          on the same track. He posted on the list *and* on social media
          *after* the warning, and probably realizing he had been
          moderated from the NCSG list, took to the NCUC list.<br>
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        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>There is also now an "official" request by James to look
          into his membership status (raised directly with Stephanie and
          Bruna (putting me in cc, hence I inform you here))</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Irrespective of the last point, the rest is enough to me to
          warrant his immediate removal, his "complaint" against Milton
          notwithstanding. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>We can blame ourselves for letting things heat up and
          failing to moderate (technically speaking) quickly enough, but
          he's the one to blame for disregarding pretty much every point
          from our warning and actively circumventing it.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>As to the complaint re Milton, the furthest I would be
          willing to go would be to send a reminder to Milton,
          encouraging him to exercise utmost caution in his choice of
          words when faced with disruptive behavior on list, in the
          multicultural context that is ours. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I will be in touch with Bruna regarding moderating him from
          the NCUC mailing list as well. And let me know your thoughts
          on the main issue. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Have a nice day, </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:15 AM
          Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">plommer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Milton has nothing to apologise for, as far as
            I'm concerned. I might've been even less polite, had I seen
            this ridiculous energy waster yesterday.
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>-Raoul</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at
              03:36, U Of T via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="auto">He has sent me such a direct complaint. No
                specifics of course.  I guess i have to respond. He is
                demanding I make Milton apologize on the list.  Advice
                welcome.
                <div>Steph<br>
                  <br>
                  <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
                  <div dir="ltr"><br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">On Jun 2, 2020, at 20:29,
                      Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <<a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">I got the confirmation from Rafik
                        that Vaibhav is now on filter mode.
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>I'll start another thread to deal with the
                          technical side of that...<br>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>But for the main issue, I suggest we leave
                          it at that and filter everything until the
                          election is over, and take a second look by
                          then. </div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>Also, he seems to imply he wants to file a
                          complaint against Milton. I guess we should
                          still reply to that - something like if you
                          want to file a complaint, you have to do it in
                          writing to the Chair?</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Let me know. Hopefully with the filter in
                          place and maybe a few more reminders if more
                          people try to keep the discussion rolling, we
                          can put that behind us and move on with our
                          lives... </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Thanks,</div>
                      </div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 2,
                          2020 at 5:22 PM Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC
                          <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <p>Looks fine to me.  Thanks for doing this
                              Raphael!</p>
                            <p>SP<br>
                            </p>
                            <div>On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael
                              Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">Hi,
                                <div><br>
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                                <div>This was not my initial
                                  interpretation of his message either,
                                  but I can see how and why you can
                                  interpret it that way Steph. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>But I'm not sure that the point you
                                  are raising should be addressed in the
                                  context of the EC. It has
                                  ramifications into both your history
                                  as a NCSG chair, and the "issues" with
                                  our rigid gender rules that now put
                                  you in a situation where you are
                                  (almost) elected by default. The
                                  interpretation you put forward is
                                  legitimate in your circumstances, but
                                  it has to be inferred, from a rather
                                  complex situation and long-standing
                                  situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav
                                  though is rather straightforward and
                                  can be addressed right away.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>This is what I plan to send him
                                  later today, with your agreement:</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>"Vaibhav,</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>We are writing to you regarding the
                                  post you made on the NCSG mailing list
                                  at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election
                                  Clarifications" thread.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>After reviewing the content of your
                                  post, we find it to be in violation of
                                  both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN
                                  Expected Standards of Behavior.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter
                                  reads as follows:</div>
                                <div>"Behavioral expectations of all
                                  NCSG members, include without
                                  limitation: adhering to ICANN
                                  Bylaws/Policies; supporting the
                                  bottom-up consensus model; treating
                                  others with dignity, respect, and
                                  courtesy; listening attentively and
                                  seeking to understand others; acting
                                  with honesty, sincerity, and
                                  integrity."</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Your recent interventions on the
                                  mailing list were generally borderline
                                  regarding these Charter committments,
                                  and the one we referred to above
                                  constitutes a direct violation. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>We would kindly ask you to
                                  reconsider how you understand your
                                  involvement with NCSG and withdraw the
                                  personal attacks, accusations and
                                  threats you made in that post. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Any further post on the NCSG
                                  mailing list which would be found in
                                  violation of the NCSG Charter could
                                  lead to your suspension from the
                                  mailing list and a further review of
                                  your membership status by the NCSG
                                  Executive Committee.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>We thank you in advance for your
                                  cooperation on this matter.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on
                                  behalf of the NCSG Executive Committee</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                  Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM Robin
                                  Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>I didn’t interpret Milton’s
                                    message as being hurtful but more of
                                    what we face every election - people
                                    imaging ways of using the existing
                                    ballot and rules to achieve various
                                    results.  It isn’t the first time
                                    we’ve had abstain / NOTA
                                    conversations and probably won’t be
                                    the last.
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Best,</div>
                                    <div>Robin<br>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <div>
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                                            <div>On Jun 2, 2020, at
                                              10:04 AM, Stephanie E
                                              Perrin via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
                                              wrote:</div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p>I just responded to
                                                  James' comment, in
                                                  hopes that this would
                                                  douse the flames.  I
                                                  also resent the thread
                                                  of reminders about the
                                                  election process....I
                                                  trust it made it to
                                                  the list.</p>
                                                <p>I agree that whoever
                                                  this Agarwal guy is,
                                                  an offlist note is
                                                  required.  I would
                                                  really appreciate it
                                                  if you did it, because
                                                  frankly it looks like
                                                  I am retaliating and
                                                  might serve to
                                                  escalate matters.</p>
                                                <p>I also think Milton
                                                  is out of line.  I am
                                                  well aware of how much
                                                  he would like me not
                                                  to run, but to suggest
                                                  to the list that they
                                                  send me a message
                                                  about how unwelcome I
                                                  am, by voting
                                                  abstain....well,
                                                  besides being hurtful,
                                                  I think it is a kind
                                                  of electioneering that
                                                  ought to be
                                                  discouraged. 
                                                  Encourage people to
                                                  vote for your
                                                  candidate of choice,
                                                  sure.</p>
                                                <p>I also think that
                                                  encouraging me to step
                                                  down so the EC can
                                                  appoint the person
                                                  they really want
                                                  raises all kinds of
                                                  questions about how
                                                  fair the election
                                                  process is.</p>
                                                <p>Just my two cents.</p>
                                                <p>SP<br>
                                                </p>
                                                <div>On 2020-06-02 12:57
                                                  p.m., Raphael
                                                  Beauregard-Lacroix via
                                                  NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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                                                  <div dir="ltr">Hi all<br>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>What he said to
                                                      Milton is
                                                      disrespectful, and
                                                      contains specific
                                                      accusations as
                                                      well as threats. I
                                                      think he needs to
                                                      be reminded
                                                      off-list of the
                                                      expected standards
                                                      of behavior at
                                                      ICANN and
                                                      encouraged to
                                                      withdraw what he
                                                      said and
                                                      eventually
                                                      apologize. If he
                                                      keeps lashing on,
                                                      then to me thats a
                                                      case of temporary
                                                      suspension from
                                                      the mailing list
                                                      with further
                                                      review on our
                                                      side. </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Milton is
                                                      harsh, and I also
                                                      think he should
                                                      exercise restraint
                                                      in such
                                                      circumstances, and
                                                      it would be fair
                                                      game to remind
                                                      him. His point
                                                      could be made
                                                      without certain
                                                      words,
                                                      irrespective of
                                                      their being "true"
                                                      or not. But
                                                      Vaibhav's surely
                                                      went way over the
                                                      line as far as
                                                      standards of
                                                      behavior are
                                                      concerned, much
                                                      more than Milton
                                                      ever did. </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I know you
                                                      don't like to play
                                                      the cop Steph, but
                                                      I do think it's
                                                      required,
                                                      unfortunately. If
                                                      you don't feel
                                                      like it, I can
                                                      volunteer, or
                                                      someone else can
                                                      go ahead too.</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>But let's
                                                      quickly discuss
                                                      first; let me know
                                                      what you all
                                                      think.</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Have a nice
                                                      day, </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
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