<div dir="ltr">I got the confirmation from Rafik that Vaibhav is now on filter mode.<div><br></div><div>I'll start another thread to deal with the technical side of that...<br><div><br></div></div><div>But for the main issue, I suggest we leave it at that and filter everything until the election is over, and take a second look by then. </div><div><br></div><div>Also, he seems to imply he wants to file a complaint against Milton. I guess we should still reply to that - something like if you want to file a complaint, you have to do it in writing to the Chair?</div><div><br></div><div>Let me know. Hopefully with the filter in place and maybe a few more reminders if more people try to keep the discussion rolling, we can put that behind us and move on with our lives... </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:22 PM Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

  
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    <p>Looks fine to me.  Thanks for doing this Raphael!</p>
    <p>SP<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael
      Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi,
        <div><br>
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        <div>This was not my initial interpretation of his message
          either, but I can see how and why you can interpret it that
          way Steph. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be
          addressed in the context of the EC. It has ramifications into
          both your history as a NCSG chair, and the "issues" with our
          rigid gender rules that now put you in a situation where you
          are (almost) elected by default. The interpretation you put
          forward is legitimate in your circumstances, but it has to be
          inferred, from a rather complex situation and long-standing
          situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav though is rather
          straightforward and can be addressed right away.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>This is what I plan to send him later today, with your
          agreement:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>"Vaibhav,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the
          NCSG mailing list at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election
          Clarifications" thread.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be
          in violation of both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected
          Standards of Behavior.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows:</div>
        <div>"Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include
          without limitation: adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies;
          supporting the bottom-up consensus model; treating others with
          dignity, respect, and courtesy; listening attentively and
          seeking to understand others; acting with honesty, sincerity,
          and integrity."</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Your recent interventions on the mailing list were
          generally borderline regarding these Charter committments, and
          the one we referred to above constitutes a direct violation. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand
          your involvement with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks,
          accusations and threats you made in that post. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be
          found in violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your
          suspension from the mailing list and a further review of your
          membership status by the NCSG Executive Committee.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this
          matter.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive
          Committee</div>
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        <div><br>
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        <div><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM
          Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div>I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but
            more of what we face every election - people imaging ways of
            using the existing ballot and rules to achieve various
            results.  It isn’t the first time we’ve had abstain / NOTA
            conversations and probably won’t be the last.
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Best,</div>
            <div>Robin<br>
              <div><br>
                <div>
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                    <div>On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin
                      via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
                    <br>
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                      <div>
                        <p>I just responded to James' comment, in hopes
                          that this would douse the flames.  I also
                          resent the thread of reminders about the
                          election process....I trust it made it to the
                          list.</p>
                        <p>I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an
                          offlist note is required.  I would really
                          appreciate it if you did it, because frankly
                          it looks like I am retaliating and might serve
                          to escalate matters.</p>
                        <p>I also think Milton is out of line.  I am
                          well aware of how much he would like me not to
                          run, but to suggest to the list that they send
                          me a message about how unwelcome I am, by
                          voting abstain....well, besides being hurtful,
                          I think it is a kind of electioneering that
                          ought to be discouraged.  Encourage people to
                          vote for your candidate of choice, sure.</p>
                        <p>I also think that encouraging me to step down
                          so the EC can appoint the person they really
                          want raises all kinds of questions about how
                          fair the election process is.</p>
                        <p>Just my two cents.</p>
                        <p>SP<br>
                        </p>
                        <div>On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael
                          Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Hi all<br>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>What he said to Milton is
                              disrespectful, and contains specific
                              accusations as well as threats. I think he
                              needs to be reminded off-list of the
                              expected standards of behavior at ICANN
                              and encouraged to withdraw what he said
                              and eventually apologize. If he keeps
                              lashing on, then to me thats a case of
                              temporary suspension from the mailing list
                              with further review on our side. </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Milton is harsh, and I also think he
                              should exercise restraint in such
                              circumstances, and it would be fair game
                              to remind him. His point could be made
                              without certain words, irrespective of
                              their being "true" or not. But Vaibhav's
                              surely went way over the line as far as
                              standards of behavior are concerned, much
                              more than Milton ever did. </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I know you don't like to play the cop
                              Steph, but I do think it's required,
                              unfortunately. If you don't feel like it,
                              I can volunteer, or someone else can go
                              ahead too.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>But let's quickly discuss first; let me
                              know what you all think.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Have a nice day, </div>
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