<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">He has sent me such a direct complaint. No specifics of course. I guess i have to respond. He is demanding I make Milton apologize on the list. Advice welcome.<div>Steph<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 2, 2020, at 20:29, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr">I got the confirmation from Rafik that Vaibhav is now on filter mode.<div><br></div><div>I'll start another thread to deal with the technical side of that...<br><div><br></div></div><div>But for the main issue, I suggest we leave it at that and filter everything until the election is over, and take a second look by then. </div><div><br></div><div>Also, he seems to imply he wants to file a complaint against Milton. I guess we should still reply to that - something like if you want to file a complaint, you have to do it in writing to the Chair?</div><div><br></div><div>Let me know. Hopefully with the filter in place and maybe a few more reminders if more people try to keep the discussion rolling, we can put that behind us and move on with our lives... </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:22 PM Stephanie E Perrin via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Looks fine to me. Thanks for doing this Raphael!</p>
<p>SP<br>
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<div>On 2020-06-02 2:19 p.m., Raphael
Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>This was not my initial interpretation of his message
either, but I can see how and why you can interpret it that
way Steph. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>But I'm not sure that the point you are raising should be
addressed in the context of the EC. It has ramifications into
both your history as a NCSG chair, and the "issues" with our
rigid gender rules that now put you in a situation where you
are (almost) elected by default. The interpretation you put
forward is legitimate in your circumstances, but it has to be
inferred, from a rather complex situation and long-standing
situation. Whats going on with Vaibhav though is rather
straightforward and can be addressed right away.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>This is what I plan to send him later today, with your
agreement:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Vaibhav,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are writing to you regarding the post you made on the
NCSG mailing list at 11:50 EST in the "NCSG Election
Clarifications" thread.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After reviewing the content of your post, we find it to be
in violation of both the NCSG Charter and the ICANN Expected
Standards of Behavior.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Article 1.2 d) of the NCSG Charter reads as follows:</div>
<div>"Behavioral expectations of all NCSG members, include
without limitation: adhering to ICANN Bylaws/Policies;
supporting the bottom-up consensus model; treating others with
dignity, respect, and courtesy; listening attentively and
seeking to understand others; acting with honesty, sincerity,
and integrity."</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Your recent interventions on the mailing list were
generally borderline regarding these Charter committments, and
the one we referred to above constitutes a direct violation. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would kindly ask you to reconsider how you understand
your involvement with NCSG and withdraw the personal attacks,
accusations and threats you made in that post. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any further post on the NCSG mailing list which would be
found in violation of the NCSG Charter could lead to your
suspension from the mailing list and a further review of your
membership status by the NCSG Executive Committee.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We thank you in advance for your cooperation on this
matter.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, on behalf of the NCSG Executive
Committee</div>
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<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:53 PM
Robin Gross via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I didn’t interpret Milton’s message as being hurtful but
more of what we face every election - people imaging ways of
using the existing ballot and rules to achieve various
results. It isn’t the first time we’ve had abstain / NOTA
conversations and probably won’t be the last.
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Robin<br>
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<div>On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Stephanie E Perrin
via NCSG-EC <<a href="mailto:ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-ec@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p>I just responded to James' comment, in hopes
that this would douse the flames. I also
resent the thread of reminders about the
election process....I trust it made it to the
list.</p>
<p>I agree that whoever this Agarwal guy is, an
offlist note is required. I would really
appreciate it if you did it, because frankly
it looks like I am retaliating and might serve
to escalate matters.</p>
<p>I also think Milton is out of line. I am
well aware of how much he would like me not to
run, but to suggest to the list that they send
me a message about how unwelcome I am, by
voting abstain....well, besides being hurtful,
I think it is a kind of electioneering that
ought to be discouraged. Encourage people to
vote for your candidate of choice, sure.</p>
<p>I also think that encouraging me to step down
so the EC can appoint the person they really
want raises all kinds of questions about how
fair the election process is.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
<p>SP<br>
</p>
<div>On 2020-06-02 12:57 p.m., Raphael
Beauregard-Lacroix via NCSG-EC wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all<br>
<div><br>
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<div>What he said to Milton is
disrespectful, and contains specific
accusations as well as threats. I think he
needs to be reminded off-list of the
expected standards of behavior at ICANN
and encouraged to withdraw what he said
and eventually apologize. If he keeps
lashing on, then to me thats a case of
temporary suspension from the mailing list
with further review on our side. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Milton is harsh, and I also think he
should exercise restraint in such
circumstances, and it would be fair game
to remind him. His point could be made
without certain words, irrespective of
their being "true" or not. But Vaibhav's
surely went way over the line as far as
standards of behavior are concerned, much
more than Milton ever did. </div>
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<div>I know you don't like to play the cop
Steph, but I do think it's required,
unfortunately. If you don't feel like it,
I can volunteer, or someone else can go
ahead too.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But let's quickly discuss first; let me
know what you all think.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Have a nice day, </div>
<div><br>
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