<div dir="ltr">Hi Tapani,<div><br></div><div>I could check with Josh, but I think he was either using gmail as an example of a client, or assuming that we (or for this purpose, Maryam) is using gmail. </div><div><br></div><div>I think it is worthwhile to ask how "portable" their solution would be in the event of a change of client for the person whose email is configured. </div><div><br></div><div>What we need with RFI tracking is a way to record, in civi, the RFI sent by Maryam and the actual reply she receives, without having her copy/paste it. This necessarily means some level of intrusion into the mailbox of the person in charge of RFIs, although there are various ways this intrusion can be fenced up, I presume.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure however how migrating the mailing list would solve problems here given that these RFIs happen offlist. But I might be misunderstanding you! </div><div><br></div><div>Yazid: thanks for your input. It is normal you don't have the access since only EC members have it for that one!</div><div><br></div><div>Have a nice evening, </div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:51 PM Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
The description sounds like they'd tie CiviCRM email setup to Gmail.<br>
Not everybody would be happy to be dependent on Google that way;<br>
indeed one key reason behind the entire project was to get rid of<br>
Google dependency. Not that it's my call to make now, just wanted to<br>
raise the point.<br>
<br>
I'm also somewhat confused as to why they'd want to do that, but<br>
then I'm not sure what that RFI tracking system is supposed to do.<br>
<br>
Somewhat guessing here, it may be it would be worthwhile to think<br>
about the possible mailing list migration at the same time, as<br>
it might make the Gmail hack here unnecessary as a side-effect<br>
or otherwise involve overlapping work.<br>
<br>
I could take a bit closer look at this when I return home next week<br>
and possibly attend another call with Wapix.<br>
<br>
Tapani<br>
<br>
<br>
On Apr 25 13:51, Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix (<a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi all<br>
> <br>
> An update from Josh on point 3:<br>
> <br>
> *3) New system for tracking RFI's.* Unfortunately, CiviCRM no longer<br>
> supports the old email to activity integration so we would need to develop<br>
> this using custom code. If we use the simpler IMAP implementation (you have<br>
> to set Gmail to allow less secure apps), you are looking at about 20 hours<br>
> to integrate one Gmail inbox with CiviCRM activities. If you want that<br>
> information not only copied into CiviCRM, but also included in the form for<br>
> reviewers, it will require about an additional 10 hours. If you choose not<br>
> to implement the additional form integration, you could still view the<br>
> email exchange via activities on the CiviCRM contact record.<br>
> <br>
> *Please give me your thoughts on that and point 1 and 2 by Friday COB.*<br>
> <br>
> Thanks<br>
> <br>
> Have a nice day,<br>
> <br>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:49 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<br>
> <a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hi just a bump on that so that I can go back to Josh from Wapix ASAP<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks!<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 1:12 AM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Hi all<br>
> >><br>
> >> Follow up from Josh below. Let me think what you would prefer for 1) and<br>
> >> what you think of 2) for peeps in the EC.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Have a nice Easter (or just a nice Sunday!)<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> ***<br>
> >><br>
> >> 1) *Configure an automated email to EC members. *You have three options<br>
> >> here. Configuring an email to remind all reviewers when there are pending<br>
> >> membership applications will take about an hour. Configuring an email to<br>
> >> remind only those reviewers who have not reviewed the application yet will<br>
> >> take about 9 hours. Configuring an email to remind only those reviewers who<br>
> >> have not reviewed the application and including a list in the email of the<br>
> >> applications that have not been reviewed will take about 15 hours.<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2) *Improve front end column layout.* We have implemented the new column<br>
> >> structure here <<a href="https://crmtest.ncsg.is/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://crmtest.ncsg.is/</a>> for your review. Several<br>
> >> things to note: a) The backlink from the reviewers page has not yet been<br>
> >> implemented b) There is apparently nothing to show for the SOI field on the<br>
> >> organization membership page. Do you want something different on this page?<br>
> >> c) Some of the hyperlinks are hard coded to the live site so you'll have to<br>
> >> keep an eye on the URL when testing. If you like what you see here, we are<br>
> >> looking at about 4 hours all together to get this implemented on live.<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 9:05 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Hi all<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> A quick update:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The call went well today, Tapani (thanks again!) was there too to<br>
> >>> provide some info on points 3,4 and 5 and add #6 which is migrating the<br>
> >>> mailing lists and archives.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Wapix will come back to us with an estimate which I will circulate for<br>
> >>> approval once I get it.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Have a nice weekend,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Raphael<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:42 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<br>
> >>> <a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> FYI, in case : Postponed by 15 min from original schedule<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 19:34 Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<br>
> >>>> <a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> Hi all<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Zoom link here for those who would be interested (1 pm EDT this<br>
> >>>>> Friday)<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="https://zoom.us/j/9965095294" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://zoom.us/j/9965095294</a><br>
> >>>>> <<a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F9965095294&sa=D&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNHXvBC9yL4WzPHKSnYbORcH54Kiiw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Fj%2F9965095294&sa=D&usd=2&usg=AFQjCNHXvBC9yL4WzPHKSnYbORcH54Kiiw</a>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Best,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 11:50 AM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<br>
> >>>>> <a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Hi Tapani,<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Yes, the call will be taking place Friday at 1pm EDT. Just got a<br>
> >>>>>> reply from Wapix a minute ago, so timely!<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> I don't have the details yet but will share them here when I do<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Best,<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 11:17 AM Tapani Tarvainen via Techteam <<br>
> >>>>>> <a href="mailto:techteam@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">techteam@lists.ncsg.is</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Hi Raphaël,<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Will you post the call time and details here when the time is fixed?<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> I might join, depending on the time.<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Tapani<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 10:49:13AM -0400, Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix<br>
> >>>>>>> via Techteam (<a href="mailto:techteam@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">techteam@lists.ncsg.is</a>) wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > Hi both (and everyone else)<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > Thanks for your comments. As for the complexity level of these<br>
> >>>>>>> issues, it<br>
> >>>>>>> > is something that I will discuss with them before they start on<br>
> >>>>>>> anything.<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > If the estimate for each is more than a few hours at most, that is<br>
> >>>>>>> > something that would substantially deplete our remaining<br>
> >>>>>>> development<br>
> >>>>>>> > blocks, I would come back here and ask for your input.<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > Farrell, I don't think there is a "need" for you to join, but I<br>
> >>>>>>> did not<br>
> >>>>>>> > mean this to be a secret call or anything, hence my invitation :)<br>
> >>>>>>> But yes I<br>
> >>>>>>> > will report here after the call and also as the work progresses.<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > Have a nice day,<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 4:35 AM Ekue Farell Folly <<br>
> >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:farell@benin2point0.org" target="_blank">farell@benin2point0.org</a>><br>
> >>>>>>> > wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Dear Raphael,<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Interesting and great job. I have no additional concerns. For a<br>
> >>>>>>> first<br>
> >>>>>>> > > meeting, I think that everything is covered.<br>
> >>>>>>> > > As far as being on the call is concerned, If you think that it<br>
> >>>>>>> might be<br>
> >>>>>>> > > useful (for NCSG representativity, for instance) I could join,<br>
> >>>>>>> otherwise;<br>
> >>>>>>> > > reading your minutes notes afterwards should be sufficient.<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Good luck.<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > On Sun, 2019-04-07 at 19:05 -0400, Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix<br>
> >>>>>>> via Techteam<br>
> >>>>>>> > > wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Dear all,<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > I would like to schedule a call this week with Wapix in order to<br>
> >>>>>>> inform<br>
> >>>>>>> > > them of our priorities list with regards to the currently<br>
> >>>>>>> outstanding<br>
> >>>>>>> > > issues we have with our membership database and management<br>
> >>>>>>> software. We<br>
> >>>>>>> > > still have some development time to use.<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > I would suggest moving forward with the following order of<br>
> >>>>>>> priorities:<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > 1. Configuring an automated email reminder to EC members<br>
> >>>>>>> every two<br>
> >>>>>>> > > weeks when there are pending membership applications (let us<br>
> >>>>>>> say, every 2<br>
> >>>>>>> > > weeks)<br>
> >>>>>>> > > 2. Cleaning the front end of useless information and changing<br>
> >>>>>>> what we<br>
> >>>>>>> > > have now into a four column layout: name, SOI, who (among EC<br>
> >>>>>>> folks) has not<br>
> >>>>>>> > > evaluated yet and an "evaluation" link to the form where we<br>
> >>>>>>> (EC folks) put<br>
> >>>>>>> > > our evaluation of the members.<br>
> >>>>>>> > > 3. A new system to track RFIs, so that we could see both the<br>
> >>>>>>> RFI and<br>
> >>>>>>> > > eventually the answer of that person in the evaluation form<br>
> >>>>>>> (but not<br>
> >>>>>>> > > directly on the main front end page with pending members, to<br>
> >>>>>>> keep that one<br>
> >>>>>>> > > as clean as possible). This new system would dispense Maryam<br>
> >>>>>>> of<br>
> >>>>>>> > > copy-pasting everything manually<br>
> >>>>>>> > > 4. Resolving a display issue when a voter's list is pulled<br>
> >>>>>>> out through<br>
> >>>>>>> > > the backend. This is entirely a backend thing, but I<br>
> >>>>>>> understand that it is<br>
> >>>>>>> > > quite inconvenient when holding the elections.<br>
> >>>>>>> > > 5. Ensuring that the current existing "relations" (a CIVI<br>
> >>>>>>> term)<br>
> >>>>>>> > > between "individual" and "organisation" contacts reflects the<br>
> >>>>>>> reality of<br>
> >>>>>>> > > how NCSG/NCUC/NPOC are actually structured (and how certain<br>
> >>>>>>> individuals may<br>
> >>>>>>> > > have several hats, etc.). This is especially important in the<br>
> >>>>>>> context of<br>
> >>>>>>> > > elections.<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Let me know if you have suggestions, comments, edits, or another<br>
> >>>>>>> vision of<br>
> >>>>>>> > > our priorities and if you would be interested in joining the<br>
> >>>>>>> call (who<br>
> >>>>>>> > > knows ;))<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Maryam, I will probably need your assistance when we get to 4<br>
> >>>>>>> and 5, so<br>
> >>>>>>> > > that I understand correctly the problem and the desired<br>
> >>>>>>> solution; I will be<br>
> >>>>>>> > > in touch with you when the time comes.<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Have a nice week!<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Raphael<br>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
> >>>>>>> Techteam mailing list<br>
> >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Techteam@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">Techteam@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
> >>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/techteam" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/techteam</a><br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Tapani Tarvainen<br>
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