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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks Farzi. I went through the document and made a few wording change suggestions, nothing substantive though. Otherwise, it looks good to me. Thanks.
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<font face="Arial" class="" style="background-color:transparent">The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "</font><b class=""><font class="" style="background-color:transparent">If you are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)
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<font face="Arial" class="" style="background-color:transparent">Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't have to be ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not
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<font face="Arial" class="">Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden thinks that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks it's cumbersome and if not reworded should be dropped. the paragraph reads as:</font></div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font class="" style="background-color:transparent"> For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to apply
for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional
At-Large Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil society, you are eligible to apply.</font></div>
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commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers and experts as our members, but their mission
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This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities. if someone is carrying out some commercial activity,
whether they can join. I think it should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG EC and we will see what the committee is going to decide.</div>
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<font face="Arial" class="">Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I added his sentence.</font></div>
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fact that at times also our constituencies have new members first before their membership of NCSG except if we are by this review barring Constituencies from taking in members outside NCSG. Clarification please.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:14 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk914204" previewremoved="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Please go through the membership approval process below in the Google doc, I have tried to resolve the issues raised or provide answers to the comments. The remaining issues which I highlighted in my email to the list and responded
to did not attract any response. please go through the document and see if you can approve the document as is by the end of the week. </div>
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<div class="">These are the comments that we have so far received on the approval guidelines at the Google Doc:
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial" class="" style="background-color:transparent">The text response had an example that members commented on :s: "</font><b class=""><font class="" style="background-color:transparent">If
you are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest, part of the civil society, you are eligible to apply."</font></b></div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial" class="" style="background-color:transparent">Tapani made the point that if we mention RALOs then we mean ISOC chapters and we should be clear. Zakir made the point that RALOs don't
have to be ISOC chapters. I agree wtih Zakir, this is not only related to ISOC chapters and cover other organizations. But in a footnote I have clarified and made an example of ISOC chapters.
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial" class="">Again questions 2 response was challenged by Ayden and Remmy. Ayden thinks that we should delete the part that sets an example, Remmy thinks it's cumbersome and if not reworded
should be dropped. the paragraph reads as:</font></div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font class="" style="background-color:transparent"> For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to apply
for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but passionate about the noncommercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply. If you are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional
At-Large Organizations (RALOs), as long as you have noncommercial interest and , part of the civil society, you are eligible to apply.</font></div>
<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font class="" style="background-color:transparent">If you are protecting the brand owners interests over noncommercial users and uses of DNS interests, you are not eligible to apply. You can join the
commercial stakeholder group, which has an intellectual property constituency and a business constituency. Such criterion does not mean NCSG is not intellectual property minded. We have intellectual property lawyers and experts as our members, but their mission
is to prevent intellectual property overreach and have a balanced approach towards individual rights and commercial rights</font></div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt">This paragraph is specifically there to clarify and respond some of the questions we have been receiving on whether RALO and ALAC members can join NCSG or not. or what is it meant by non-commercial activities.
if someone is carrying out some commercial activity, whether they can join. I think it should be there since we keep getting asked this question and it is in line with our practice. If there are no objections I will discuss this at NCSG EC and we will see
what the committee is going to decide.</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial" class="">Tapani suggests the approval process of constituencies to be added. I added his sentence.
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="Arial" class="" style="background-color:transparent">Remmy has commented that:
</font><font face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" color="#333333" class="" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">We shall not loose sight of the fact that at times also our constituencies have new members first before their membership
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0pt; margin-bottom:0pt">To clarify for Remmy: Anyone that wants to join NPOC or NCUC has to first become a member of NCSG - no one can become a member of NCUC nor NPOC without being a member of NCSG. However, joining a constituency
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