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    <p>Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are
      considering/or not their doc and will be proposing something or an
      alternative version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe
      end of next week?<br>
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    <p>And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
      week?  or two weeks from Monday?   Probably would be useful to
      have the CSG and NCSG nomination periods run in parallel.  Agree
      with CSG whether should be nomination and/or self nomination.</p>
    <p>In the interim start work on the process?</p>
    <p>Matthew<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Hi all,</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">we really need to develop our response
          or proposal to CSG quickly. at least covering the topic of
          nomination.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik
            Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Hi Matt,</div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the response,
                  looking for other comments on this topic.</div>
                <div class="gmail_extra">I think we can start with
                  nomination whole we work on the process and adjust the
                  whole timeline.</div>
                <div class="gmail_extra">how we shall proceed for
                  nominations, we have 2 candidates for now. shall we
                  initiate a process to find other candidates? we don't
                  have so much time for a long nomination period.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">I understand that we are having
                  the deadline as a mean to press us but we should stand
                  and be clear about the aspects which are
                  non-negotiable with regard to the process.<br>
                  <br>
                  Best,</div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-21 19:13
                        GMT+09:00 matthew shears <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                            <p>Thanks Rafik</p>
                            <p>Not sure much was agreed except that we
                              need to deal with it and we are running
                              out of time.</p>
                            <p>First we had the timeline from Greg
                              before the meeting, which was not really
                              discussed further.  Then we had some
                              general discussion about the need to do
                              something on the Board selection process. 
                              People voiced their views on different
                              aspects of the process and there was
                              concern over the timeline, but we did not
                              really decide anything (others please jump
                              in as I may have missed some important
                              aspects).   Markus announced he wanted to
                              continue in the role; I announced I was
                              going to run.  Then the CSG proposal for a
                              process was circulated on Thurs AM.  There
                              seemed to be general agreement that the
                              CSG proposal was not ideal. <br>
                            </p>
                            <p>I think the key immediate thing is us
                              agreeing a process and timeline for
                              nominations and getting that announced, so
                              at least the initial stages of the process
                              are underway.</p>
                            <p>Matthew<br>
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                                    <div>Hi everyone,
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                                      <div dir="auto">We got this note
                                        from Greg to resume the
                                        discussion on board seat
                                        election. </div>
                                      <div dir="auto">First thing, is it
                                        possible to get a summary of
                                        what or not agreed on iceland on
                                        that regard from those who
                                        attended intersessional?</div>
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                                      <div dir="auto">We also need to
                                        outline what are our
                                        non-negotiable points such as
                                        having vote, NCA participation
                                        and so on. </div>
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                                      <div dir="auto">I think tgat the
                                        CSG proposal from last week is
                                        far from our expectations.</div>
                                      <div dir="auto">There is also
                                        proposal to have a call. We can
                                        have it by end of this week but
                                        we do need to be ready.</div>
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                                      <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
                                      <div dir="auto"><br>
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                                      <div dir="auto">Rafik </div>
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                                        Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM<br>
                                        Subject:
                                        [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board
                                        Seat Selection Process<br>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We
                                              probably need a different
                                              mailing list to finish
                                              working on the Board Seat
                                              selection process, and a
                                              small group to do it, but
                                              I'll start here, since I
                                              think this is the only
                                              active mailing list with
                                              both sides of the NCPH on
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We
                                              basically have no time to
                                              work this out, and we've
                                              already started the
                                              process without knowing
                                              what it is exactly, since
                                              we have now received
                                              nominations.</div>
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                                              addition to the adaptation
                                              of the CPH procedures
                                              previously circulated, I'm
                                              also attaching the
                                              following for
                                              consideration:</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. 
                                              Some bullet-points from an
                                              exchange between CSG and
                                              NCSG representatives
                                              outlining a potential
                                              draft process.</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. 
                                              The latest version of the
                                              ICANN Staff Memo with a
                                              revised draft timeline and
                                              some relevant excerpts
                                              from Bylaws and GNSO
                                              Procedures.</div>
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                                              A further excerpt from the
                                              Bylaws, with Section
                                              11.3(f), which covers the
                                              selection process for
                                              Seats 13-14 (to the extent
                                              that is covered in the
                                              Bylaws), and Section
                                              11.3(h), which is referred
                                              to in Section 11.3(f).</div>
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                                              few thoughts and comments:</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A. 
                                              We only have 10 1/2 weeks
                                              to both develop and go
                                              through a process that is
                                              contemplated to take 21
                                              weeks (just to go
                                              through).  Talk about
                                              building the airplane in
                                              the air.</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">B. 
                                              At the Intersessional, we
                                              discussed possible
                                              adjustments to the
                                              timeline, but did not come
                                              to any decisions.  It's
                                              not clear to me whether
                                              Staff is preparing a
                                              further revised draft. 
                                              I'll ask.</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">C. 
                                              If any of our groups have
                                              not already done so, we
                                              should put out a call for
                                              any other nominations ASAP
                                              (though it would be nice
                                              to know the end of the
                                              nomination period).</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">D. 
                                              Without making any
                                              judgments, the CPH process
                                              and the NCPH bullet-points
                                              are significantly
                                              different when it comes to
                                              voting.</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">E. 
                                              We should figure out how
                                              to get this process agreed
                                              as quickly as possible. 
                                              Given the unusual
                                              circumstances, we don't
                                              need to use this process
                                              as precedent for any
                                              future process.  We just
                                              need to get through this
                                              selection.  One approach
                                              is for NCSG to respond to
                                              the draft sent at the end
                                              of the Intersessional. 
                                              However, given the gap
                                              between that and the
                                              bullet-points, it might
                                              just be better to arrange
                                              a call/Adobe Connect
                                              session ASAP to move the
                                              ball forward.</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks
                                              for reading,</div>
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                                              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P.S. 
                                              It's not all that
                                              important how we got here,
                                              but nonetheless, it should
                                              be noted that the GNSO
                                              Procedures were never
                                              updated from 2012, when
                                              the Bylaws deadline for
                                              naming the Director was
                                              changed from one month to
                                              two months (briefly) and
                                              then six months prior to
                                              being seated.  (The GNSO
                                              Procedures will need to be
                                              updated in any event,
                                              since the Bylaws
                                              references are now
                                              obsolete.))  The draft
                                              bullet-points repeated
                                              this error.</div>
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                                              Since we are doing this
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                                                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,46,98)">Greg
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                                              From: <b
                                                class="gmail_sendername">Greg
                                                Shatan</b> <span
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                                              Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at
                                              5:28 AM<br>
                                              Subject: Discussion Draft
                                              of Interim Board Selection
                                              Process<br>
                                              To: <a
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                                                  Intersessional
                                                  Participants,</div>
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                                                  style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The
                                                  CSG prepared a
                                                  "discussion draft" of
                                                  a proposed interim
                                                  Board Selection
                                                  Process based closely
                                                  on the Final Process
                                                  adopted by the
                                                  Contracted Parties
                                                  House.  Clean and
                                                  marked drafts are
                                                  attached, showing
                                                  changes from the CPH
                                                  document.</div>
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                                                  Google Docs version
                                                  can be found here,
                                                  where any suggested
                                                  changes can be added
                                                  in "suggest" mode (but
                                                  everyone has "edit"
                                                  rights): <a
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                                                  style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We
                                                  would hope to use this
                                                  for the current 2017
                                                  Board Seat process and
                                                  then revisit afterward
                                                  before making it a
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                                                  has not been reviewed
                                                  by the membership of
                                                  the IPC, BC and ISPCP,
                                                  but we wanted to start
                                                  the discussion on this
                                                  basis, given the short
                                                  amount of time we have
                                                  for this year.</div>
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