<div dir="auto"><div>Hi Pedro,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Many thanks for taking up the challenge. As I mentioned, myself, Ben and Manju were on the WG. Which means I cannot speak to the work that was concensus driven. That said, for anyone who might want to join you to comment on this should take note of the public comment deadline which is 17 January 2025. Happy to jump on a call with you as well to provide guidance. </div><div dir="auto">I will respond to some of your questions inline.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 26, 2024, 5:01 AM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi everyone!</div><div><br></div><div>I was reading the docs to see if there is anything to comment on, but it seems like most of the details will be left for us to define. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Caleb - Absolutely, you are right that is if you have a contrary view to the proposition and the concensus from the working group. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Reading the document, I couldn't understand clearly if, as mentioned in p. 7 (especially footnote 5), we will have separate criteria and indicators as NCSG, or if we will have to agree with the rest of the GNSO (or with the NCPH). Was that mentioned during the discussions? </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Caleb - So the item you referred to was defined to accommodate every SO/AC's view in the document. At some point, we also had a GNSO Coordination breakout group to discuss the issues before we had a subgroup take a unified stand on this. Therefore, both NCSG (bearing in mind I represented NPOC) and the GNSO views were well articulated. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>If not, I can draft a quick comment to request that the substructures' role in the CIP be more explicit.</div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Caleb - Absolutely, please go ahead and it will be such a pleasure to see a diverse opinion. That is the beauty of multistakeholderism. Perhaps, you might shed some light on things we missed. </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Anyway, one thing that caught my attention is that we should really keep an eye out for the Pilot Hilostic Review, since what happens there will be used as "checks and balances" for the "self-review" made within the CIP.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">Caleb - Yes you are right. They are both connected and this Holistic Review will play a connecting roles with some previous ATR3 recommendations. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Unfortunately, I'm not sure anyone from NCSG was selected to be part of the team despite the fact that I know a couple of NCSG folks applied and weren't selected. I guess they went along the lines of regional representations which I feel was not representative of SO/AC. See those in the WG here. </div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-announces-pilot-holistic-review-team-13-09-2024-en">https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-announces-pilot-holistic-review-team-13-09-2024-en</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> I also want to use this opportunity to check if we got any new info about the selection of GNSO reps to that working group, since, in our membership meeting in ICANN81, we had an indication by ICANN staff of who made the decision, but after that, asking around, I still couldn't get a confirmation on that.<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Caleb - I don't think the list has changed plus since then. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards, </div><div dir="auto">Caleb Ogundele </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,</div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600</a>, </font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">Pesquisador (<a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">GEDAI/UFPR</a>)</font></span></font></span></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra), </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">Coordenação/Diretoria/EC @ </font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ISOC BR</a></span></font><font size="1"><font size="2">,</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font><font size="2"><a href="https://www.ncuc.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCUC</a> & <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG </a>(ICANN), <a href="https://youthlacigf.lat/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">YouthLACIGF</a>,</font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">IODA</a> e </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CC Brasil</a></font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="2">.</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1">Essa mensagem é restrita ao remetente e destinatário(s). Se recebida por engano, favor responder informando o erro.</font></span><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 5 de dez. de 2024 às 16:36, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Caleb,</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for that additional information. It is very helpful.<br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Warmly,<br></div>Tomslin<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 at 03:22, Caleb Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Many thanks Tomslin for posting this one. <br>@All, If anyone has different views and public comments to write for the CIP, please let me, <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_-3169643917680497514m_-9124468593659196394m_2460994515172578745m_-4004576406406979482plusReplyChip-2" href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@Benjamin Akinmoyeje</a> and <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_-3169643917680497514m_-9124468593659196394m_2460994515172578745m_-4004576406406979482plusReplyChip-3" href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@陳曼茹 Manju Chen</a> know about this. We were all on CIPWG and I feel it doesn't make sense for the three of us to comment on the WG output we were part of since most decisions were consensus-driven.<div>Our role is to provide guidance to the public holder and explain any grey area of concern.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Caleb Ogundele</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 7:28 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">
Dear members,<br><br><div>ICANN org is seeking input on the <b>Continuous Improvement Program Framework</b>. </div>Specifically, the comment is seeking input on </div><div dir="ltr"><ol><li>Whether the Continuous Improvement Program Framework is fit for purpose to evolve Organizational Reviews led by Independent Examiners into a Continuous Improvement Program led by the ICANN community, to inform the eventual Holistic Review</li><li>Agreement for the Continuous Improvement Program Framework to be adopted by each SO, AC, and the NomCom</li></ol><div><br></div><div> Let me know if you'd like to volunteer. <br></div><ol><ul><li><b>Link</b>: <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/continuous-improvement-program-framework-21-11-2024" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/continuous-improvement-program-framework-21-11-2024</a></li></ul><ul><li>
<b>Deadline</b>: Closes on 17 January 2025
</li><li><b>Draft document</b>: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XD1et1aNM4i-6d0-Vklx1iY-AcPx0UN6TDnJE4rcxPI/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XD1et1aNM4i-6d0-Vklx1iY-AcPx0UN6TDnJE4rcxPI/edit?usp=sharing</a></li></ul></ol>
<div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>You can view all past NCSG <span>Public</span> comments <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2024" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">here</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Warmly,<br></div>Tomslin</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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