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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Indeed, Caleb. I discovered it has to do with the recent resolution between the UK and Mauritius regarding the Chagos islands, which means that the IO (which referred to the Indian Ocean Territory) kind of doesn’t exist anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I probably should have fully read the wiki article Jean referred to </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>☹</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> before writing anything. I’m interested to see if anyone sees much in the way of NCSG implications – on the surface I do not, although it is possible that some non commercial entities are included in the more than one million domains. And since it’s not every day that a ccTLD is being considered for phasing out, it should be interesting to observe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I found this article which describes the issue in detail: <a href="https://www.computerworld.com/article/3552692/is-the-io-top-level-domain-headed-for-extinction.html#">https://www.computerworld.com/article/3552692/is-the-io-top-level-domain-headed-for-extinction.html#</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks, Jean, for raising the issue. I hadn’t heard about it even though I knew there was finally a resolution of the issue with the Chagos islands.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>As far as dot AI, I believe it’s actually registered to a real country (Anguilla?). So just like dot TV and dot ME, these are reaping income for the territories involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Caleb Ogundele <muyiwacaleb@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 16, 2024 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ken Herman <ken@kherman.com><br><b>Cc:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Inquiry about the .io ccTLD situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>hi Ken,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On the TLD part, I guessed as much. What I was looking at was the motive. One could assume the same for the dot AI.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 2:39<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM Ken Herman <<a href="mailto:ken@kherman.com">ken@kherman.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=IT style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Caleb. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Google I/O isn’t about the TLD…it stands alternatively for Input/Output or I have seen “Innovation in the Open”. I think they just leverage the IO tld for marketing. As such, I suspect they may have an interest in the future of the io TLD because of that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Caleb Ogundele<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 16, 2024 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Inquiry about the .io ccTLD situation.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Pedro,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In another hat I wear as a developer, I know Google has the <a href="https://io.google/2024/" target="_blank">Google IO event.</a> wondering what the connection could be<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://io.google/2024/" target="_blank">https://io.google/2024/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 2:24<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>An important addition to this discussion (one that surprised me when I was reading about this issue): since .io is used as a gTLD, this has some interesting effects. For example, <a href="https://icannwiki.org/.io" target="_blank">Google's ad targeting treats .io as such.</a> This means we may have an (indirect) interest in the issue, even if formally NCSG is not involved.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cordially,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, <a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra) </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Coordination/Board/EC @</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC BR</a>, <a href="https://www.ncuc.org" target="_blank">NCUC</a> & <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Home" target="_blank">NCSG </a>(ICANN), <a href="https://youthlacigf.lat/" target="_blank">YouthLACIGF</a>, <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank">IODA</a> and <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank">CC Brasil</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Em qua., 16 de out. de 2024 às 13:27, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hi Emmanuel,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>While I don't have an opinion on this specific case, just wanted to mention that as NCSG we directly contribute to policies related to gTLDs (as long as they relate to ICANN mandate) but this doesn't mean that we do not and cannot provide advice on ccTLD matters that relate to ICANN. We can provide advice on ccTLDs when it comes to delegation and redelegation issues and generally issues related to ICANN and IANA. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Farzaneh </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 11:52<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>AM Emmanuel Vitus <<a href="mailto:emmanuelvitus@gmail.com" target="_blank">emmanuelvitus@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:black'>Bonjour Jean,<br>Thank you for sharing the information. Just to clarify, since .io is a ccTLD, it falls under the responsibility of the ccNSO, not the NCSG. The NCSG primarily focuses on gTLDs and non-commercial interests within the ICANN framework, while ccTLD-related matters like .io are managed by the ccNSO.<br>Since this issue pertains to a ccTLD, it’s outside the usual scope of NCSG members, who may not have the appropriate insights or responses. I would recommend directing your concerns to the ccNSO. It might also be worth bringing this topic up during the open sessions at ICANN81.<br><br>Best regards, <br>Emmanuel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Le mer. 16 oct. 2024 à 10:03, Jean F. Quéralt <<a href="mailto:000016bf26350d73-dmarc-request@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">000016bf26350d73-dmarc-request@listserv.syr.edu</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear members,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As you may have heard, following recent events, there are conversations/concerns/rumors about the .io ccTLD to (eventually) disappear.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You can find some information on the events here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>While it is unlikely that this disappearance will materialize, we believe it's pertinent to address any possible concerns in advance and seek clarification from the appropriate structures if necessary.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>To this end, we would like to invite you to let us know:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A) What are your concerns, if any, about this situation<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>B) Are you concerned about a possible increase of price should the ccTLD change hands?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please let us know so we can support you if needed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best,<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jean F. Queralt<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Founder & CEO - <a href="https://TheIOFoundation.org" target="_blank">The IO Foundation</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ" target="_blank">Book a meeting</a> (30 minutes)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray'>DISCLAIMER</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray'>The content of this message, which may contain personal or sensitive data, is confidential. 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