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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#467886" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Hi Kathy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Short answer…it may indeed be made 0, but only under the most specific conditions that are auditable by ICANN. Mostly, though, it has gone from an optional 60-day restriction to a mandatory 30-day, with some ability to undo the restriction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I believe there are still ways for registrants to lock the ability to transfer a domain, depending on the registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 4:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ken Herman <ken@KHERMAN.COM>; NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Request for Input on Transfer Policy - To retain or eliminate a transfer lock<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Agreed, Ken, and thank you for all of your work on this issue! <o:p></o:p></p><p>Sorry if I missed something, but have all timeframes been removed (from 60 to 0)? I understand it has been a 60 day lock, and you/NCSG wanted a 30 day lock (which made sense to me). What is the minimum time now? <o:p></o:p></p><p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 4/27/2024 11:39 AM, Ken Herman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hello Fellow NCSG Members:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would like to thank members for responding to my request for input last week regarding the elimination of a transfer restriction. I shared the ideas presented in that message with the Working Group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><u>Current status</u>:<o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>The discussion regarding a transfer restriction (a preferred term rather than a transfer “Lock”) after an inter-registrar transfer evolved to a position whereby a transfer restriction could be lifted only under some very specific circumstances and with specific conditions. <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>The the circumstances can vary, and enumerating them would serve no useful purpose, the proposed conditions were very specific, and included ensuring that there was a specific request from the RNH and that request, along with its rationale and the actions taken by the Registrar, are to be documented as a matter of policy; i.e. those conditions could be audited for compliance. <o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Bottom line: I believe the WG has moved adequately towards a resolution regarding the lifting of the transfer restriction in a way that addresses the concerns I expressed previously. </b>It retains a requirement for the restriction, which is something that did not exist in the original policy (it was optional for the Registrar) while allowing Registered Name Holders and Registrars to work together on situations that may facilitate lifting the restriction, while requiring registrars to fully document the process with requirements for record retention.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>I think we can accept this approach, </b>but of course I welcome any additional thoughts<b>.</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NCSG-Discuss <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Herman<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 21, 2024 2:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Request for Input on Transfer Policy - To retain or eliminate a transfer lock</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hello Fellow NCSG Members:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I request your input regarding an issue under discussed by the Transfer Policy Review Working Group (TPRWG).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB>The issue concerns whether to allow for the transfer of a domain to a different registrar in fewer than 30 days after an initial transfer. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB>My recommended NCSG position: Under no circumstances should a registrar allow for a transfer in fewer than 30 days.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB>Please review the points below and let me know if you agree with my position or prefer for me to present some other position. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Certainly, let me know if you have any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB>I look forward to hearing from you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB>Ken</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Major points regarding the issue include:</span><o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>Current policy imposes a 60-day restriction on any inter-registrar transfers after a transfer. In other words, if I move my registered domain name to a new registrar, I could not move my domain name again for 60 days. No exceptions (at least that I am aware of). My understanding is that this is a measure to protect against domain name theft.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>In previous discussions, the working group recommended changing the lock to 30 days and would require all registries to adhere to this timeframe. The proposed preliminary recommendation reads as follows:<br><br><b>GROUP 1(a) Rec 17(a): The Registrar MUST restrict the Registered Name Holder (RNH) from transferring a domain name to a new Registrar within 30 days / 720 hours of the completion of an inter-Registrar transfer. To the extent that a Registry and/or Registrar has an existing policy and/or practice of restricting the RNH from transferring a domain name to a new Registrar for a different period of time following an inter-Registrar transfer, all policies and practices MUST be updated to be consistent with this new requirement.</b></span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>This preliminary recommendation has been reopened in light of current discussions around the Change of Registrant Data policies.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>The proposed revision would allow a registrar to initiate a transfer in fewer than 30 days under certain circumstances. The circumstances proposed include cases where the registrant has an established relationship with the registrar. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>Some registrants have a problem with the lock, as indicated in the Charter for the WG, which notes in paragraph d4 that “Survey responses and data provided by ICANN’s Global Support Center indicate that registrants do not understand the 60-day lock and express frustration when it prevents them from completing an inter-registrar transfer.”</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>Some registrars have explained that in a small number of cases the 30-day lock imposes a business hardship, and this is mentioned in the charter in paragraph d7, “In its survey response, the Registrar Stakeholder Group indicated that the 60-day lock hinders corporate acquisitions, consolidations, and divestitures of large lists of domains to new legal entities”.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>Some registrars even suggest that having any lock after a transfer only offers limited protection from domain theft (which is the main reason for imposing a lock in the first place). Some registrars report many complaints about having a lock.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>Some stakeholder groups express in the WG meetings discomfort with any reason to remove the lock, and feel the lock remains an important security control.. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span lang=EN-GB>In my opinion, evidence of the impact of a lock for reducing domain theft is slim. As noted, my understanding is that the lock was initially included in the policy since moving domains quickly across many registrars was an indication of potential domain theft and locking the domain for a period of time allowed for registrants to recover these domains.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><b><span lang=EN-GB>Given that:</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=10 type=1><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo6'><b><span lang=EN-GB>Evidence of the impact of the lock is inconclusive, and</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo6'><b><span lang=EN-GB>Professional domain managers have for many years coped with having the lock, and</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo6'><b><span lang=EN-GB>Providing the ability of registrars to undo a lock enables a registrar to manipulate, and potentially undermine, the trust of registrants, and</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo6'><b><span lang=EN-GB>Reducing the lock to 30 days provides a reasonable compromise.</span></b><o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in'><b><span lang=EN-GB> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:.75in'><b><span lang=EN-GB>My suggestion is for NCSG to take the position to retain the current language of recommendation 17(a); i.e. to maintain the 30-day lock. I further suggest that the working group call on ICANN to more intensively study the impact of having a transfer lock, both of the </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:.75in'><b><span lang=EN-GB>While I would need to confirm, I believe ALAC and the Business Constituency have a similar position.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-GB> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-GB>References: all documents (Charter, preliminary reports, etc) can be found here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP">https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-GB> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Kathy Kleiman<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Past President, Domain Name Rights Coalition<o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>