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<p>I agree with you and Kathy, but framing the language will be very
difficult, given the controversies rampant at the moment about
curtailing hate speech....something I worry about a lot more than
the geographical issues, although I agree that the Amazonians
ought to be able to hang on to their name. Not sure about the
.spa fight, if you recall, the Belgian small town that wanted that
name. It's a tough issue, who decides which names are out.</p>
<p>So what names are already on the restricted name list, and how
can we reframe the end of that sentence to preclude some hate
speech proponent from thinking up something new that we have
difficulty stopping?</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-07-26 2:16 a.m., dorothy g
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I would
definitely side with Kathy on this. There is clear precedent
in terms of potential negative impacts. How can we adjust the
recommendation to make it less 'sweeping' or throw it out.
Unfortunately I am only seeing this on 26 July. Can you tell
us what happened.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 19:34,
Kathy Kleiman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kathy@dnrc.tech"><kathy@dnrc.tech></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>Juan,</p>
<p>Tx for asking . Unfortunately here the concept is
Applicant Freedom of Expression - sometimes at the expense
of the freedom of expression of the rest of us. <i>Should
Applicants for New gTLDs be allowed to use any word they
want for any reason they want regardless of our rights -
as registrants and users? </i><br>
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<p>I'm in the camp that says no. Others have already fought
this battle for "geos" - gTLD strings that represent
well-known cities such as .PARIS and .LONDON. <u>As a
Community, we agreed that Applicants must get the
permission of the region to use this term. </u>The
Amazonia Region learned the hard way that they had to
fight for their rights to have space in . AMAZON, which
was applied for by the company.</p>
<p>We will continue to see groups concerned that a
religion's name will be misused by one group within the
larger community, or by someone with no identification
with the religion whatsoever. These are the controversies
you cannot anticipate fully ahead of time.</p>
<p><u>But the purpose of this Recommendation from the SubPro
Working Group is <b>to give the Applicants for New gTLD
more rights, </b>and very clear and express rights.
<b>To be fair, that takes away some rights from everyone
else, including us (NCSG and Noncommercial Registrants
and Internet Users). </b></u><u>I would limit this
recommendation to be interpreted as <i>narrowly as
possible</i></u><i> </i>- <i>there are future new
gTLDs with global impact; a lot of damage can be done by
a new gTLD falling into the hands of a future registry
that truly opposes what the string means (think racial,
religious and gender hatred).</i><br>
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<p>From below: <i>"</i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Applicants
can apply for any available gTLD other than those
restricted based on technical standards, pre-established
reserved name lists, and other restrictions detailed in
the AGB."</span></p>
<p><font size="6"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> ==>
this is a problem. <br>
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<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div>On 7/25/2023 1:34 PM, Sam Lanfranco wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)">I
have two minor wording comments and a more
substantive comment.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)"> </span></p>
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<li style="color:rgb(112,48,160);margin-left:0in"> <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Wording
comment: Maybe replace “when submitting an
application” with “when applying”?</span></li>
<li style="color:rgb(112,48,160);margin-left:0in"> <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Should
‘evaluation...performed by independent
third-party” specifically include the word “<span style="background:repeat yellow">vendors</span>”
or just say “independent third-parties”?</span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Substantive
comment: This text explains both ICANN’s respect for
the freedom of expression and factoring that into
the new GTLD proposal selection process. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)">This
is not the place for a wider discussion, but it is
worth remembering that freedom of expression is at
the core of the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights (UDHR) and that ICANN has not really taken a
position regarding a commitment to adhere to the
principles of the UNHR in its work within its remit.
ICANN did have a bit of a “skunk works on Human
Rights” when stakeholder groups ran a Working Party
(not Working Group) episode discussing Human Rights
within the ICANN remit, There may be growing
pressure for ICANN to be more declarative in this
area going forward, Just a thought!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(112,48,160)">Sam
Lanfranco</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NCSG-Discuss <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></a>
<b> On Behalf Of </b>Juan Manuel Rojas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 24, 2023 8:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Introduction of Freedom of
Expression Topic on SubPro IRT</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Dear
all, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">As
you already know some of us are working as a
part of SubPro IRT, currently the WG is
discussing about Predictability and for our
next meeting (tomorrow 25th at 20 UTC) the
Freedom of Expression is being introduced.
As a team we would like to know what are
your concerns with the writing of the
following paragraph, having into account
that is a Draft to start the discussion,:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Applicant
Freedom of Expression - proposed AGB text</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">DRAFT
AGB TEXT START</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">"ICANN
respects the freedom of expression rights
of applicants that are protected under
internationally recognized principles of
law. Applicants can apply for any
available gTLD other than those restricted
based on technical standards,
pre-established reserved name lists, and
other restrictions detailed in the AGB.
Applicants should be mindful of
limitations to free expression [hyperlink
to LPI section] when submitting an
application as detailed in the AGB.
Applications are subject to an evaluation
and objection process [hyperlink] as
described in the AGB and will be
unsuccessful should an applied-for string
be found to violate<br>
applicable laws or other rights and
requirements specified in the AGB. The
evaluation of applications, including
decisions on objections, will be performed
by independent third party vendors who
will take into account freedom of
expression considerations together with
other relevant factors. Please see the
relevant sections of this guidebook for
more information on the evaluation
[hyperlink] and dispute resolution
process. [hyperlink]."</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Excuse
the timing but that draft was sent out
until today. We will be waiting your
observations at this topic. </span></p>
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