<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hello Judith </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 11:32 PM Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>HI Farzi,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments and views. I have just finished off two
years on NomCom, and so I take issue with your statement that
NomCom is not doing well. Please explain what you mean by that. </p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">As we say in Farsi let me put the shyness aside and ask you, who are you on NCSG and where have you been. I do not remember you being appointed by us. So you were representing ALAC. We are not a family. Not even a dysfunctional one. ALAC does not understand our GNSO complexities and that has always been a problem. But I will tell you what I mean by NomCom not doing well for the past 5-6 years. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="padding-bottom:1px"><p>
I am not privy to explain what transpired this year, but we have
worked very hard to get independent thinkers and outsiders onto
the boards and leadership positions. This year we had a much
larger pool thanks to the addition of a recruitment firm helping
to outreach to candidates for the GNSO, CCNSO, and ALAC leadership
position. The delegates work hard to get independent and outside
thinkers to fill the leadership positions but we work with the
priorities that each constituency has given to Nomcom. If these
priorities for the GNSO slots are not accurate than they should be
revised<br></p></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Oh good. Because we see the appointment of former intellectual property constituencies members. And frankly since NCAs prolly better not be from NCSG either I am glad to hear that you have a more diverse pool. </span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">a few years ago nomcom went through a really strange operational procedure change. led by our unsurprisingly CSG (BC and IPC) colleagues to make it less transparent all under the disguise of confidentiality. At some point NomCom appointed an NCA who was an employee of ITU at the time! NomCom appointed people with conflict of interest to various groups,<a href="https://ccnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/field-attached/sataki-to-nomcomm-29sep17-en.pdf"> see the ccnso letter here</a>. When you were serving, maybe it got better. But we still observed the musical chair. People from GAC later on were appointed to various positions that were supposed to be non-governmental, noncommercial. </span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="padding-bottom:1px"><p>
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<p>The public comments on the NomCom2 Review report we were just
asked to comment on the items in the report that were up for
validation. Unfortunately, the issue of NomCom REbalancing was
withdrawn from the report, and so we could not comment on it. This
is why there were two processes. The letter and the response to
the public comments. I just worked on the response to the public
comments and worked closely with the NCUC rep Peter on these
comments. </p></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Good. So you are, I believe an NCSG member now working to advance our interest. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="">Allow me to take this moment and tell you that while we are collegial with ALAC we don't agree on everything. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="padding-bottom:1px"><p> <br>
</p>
<p>Stefanie is correct in her analysis and her review. There does
not seem to be an appetite or interest to expand the NomCom beyond
the current numbers. What there was interest in is having each
constituency be responsible for each of their delegates. </p></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Frankly, I don't give a damn about appetite whatsoever, we are not asking for expansion. If the number of members reduced, but we are given equal delegation I think we would be happy. If it's reducing the number of advisory committee members to make it smaller, so be it! less travel, less resources and same results!</span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="padding-bottom:1px"><p> Also
from what I have heard while at ICANN 77 is that the GAC is
rethinking their approach and may indeed begin to use its seat in
the coming years. Happy to be of help and share my experience on
NomCom and I am sure Peter will share his experience.</p></div></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Oh ok. so insisting on having advisory committees be a voting member backfired. Good good. But advisory committees should also appoint an equal number of members. One each?</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="padding-bottom:1px">
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div>On 6/27/23 12:21 PM, farzaneh badii
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I made some changes:
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<div dir="auto">We need to ask for equal number of delegates and
get it done with. NomCom is not doing well anyway and I am not
sure it’s because of the composition. Anyway. Comments
attached. Please discuss these issues on the general member
mailing list so that we know what is going on. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 9:06
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
<div>I tend to support this position, but then, we needed
to have an internal mechanism within the NCSG to manage
the outcome, assuming our request is yet to be accepted
and how to make due in terms of rotating our slots to
ensure even representation within the NCSG family,
especially as it may affect NPOC that largely has been
missing in representation without much home grown
support within the NCSG.</div>
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<div>Internal democracy/MoU will prepare our minds in the
journey ahead so as to rebalance even within, bearing in
mind that NomCom rebalancing is not only about us (NCSG)
but depends on the total acceptable number for the
larger NomCom to work with as may be approved.</div>
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<div>At the same time lets maintain equal footing for
equal quota between non-commercial and commercial as
annunciated.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at
12:30 AM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I absolutely disagree to make this a
constituency matter. It is the card that they played
for so long to argue that we didnt have as many
constituency. As stakeholder group, if they have 3
reps we should have 3 reps. If we have one as
stakeholder group they should have one. If you wanna
make them smaller stop having 5 ALAC/at large
delegates. No reason for that they are an advisory
committee like everyone else. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I keep hearing that we should compromise
on this and that and that we have better things to do.
What are these better things? We are here to advance
our interest. By sitting on policy positions we cannot
get anywhere. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Stephanie, if you have written something
great. If not we just turn my response with correction
to a statement and send it off. We can’t wait
forever. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 26,
2023 at 6:53 PM Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>The fault is not Caleb's it is mine. I have
been working on that draft. Judith
Hellerstein was kind enough to draft the
response to the call for comments, and I had
intended to circulate the draft for comments
this past weekend. Unfortunately a health
emergency in my family has dragged me away.
There was quite a bit of discussion around the
meeting in Washington on this topic, and it
also had come up at Council. Council is just
now preparing its draft response to the
Board. We have till the 30th and Julf is
standing by to send the final draft, so please
lets not panic.<br>
</p>
<p>There is strong opposition to growing the
Nomcom, as it grows it becomes more unwieldy,
and they are already working very hard. So I
would submit that asking for three delegates,
just like the commercial group, is a
non-starter. However, the battle to get a
seat for NPOC, at least at the GNSO level,
appears to be turning in our favour. Please
see my comments re the questions below, and
expect to see a tidied up draft comment
shortly.</p>
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wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Caleb,</div>
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</div>
<div>You received that very email on 27th of
April, and since you've been preparing the
draft since, perhaps you could finally
share your work with us so we could make
that statement together as a stakeholder
group?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Raoul<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 26
Jun 2023 at 21:46, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Where
are NCSG's joint recommendations? NCUC
can reinforce the message. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 2:44 PM Caleb
Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I believe NCUC can
consolidate the response with the
NCSG's joint recommendations.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This will allow us to go out on
a united front as non-commercial.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 1:40 PM
farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Benjamin,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Not only do we
need to respond, we should
reach out to our friends and
colleagues and tell them what
the problem is<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">.
See the responses below:</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon,
Jun 26, 2023 at 1:57 PM
Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear NCUC
members,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good day and I hope
your week is going
well.</div>
<div>Thank you for
participating in the
NCUC Readout session.
As discussed in
the meeting today,
please share your
response to these
questions to gather
our community views.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">ICANN
Board Chair Tripti
Sinha is
requesting
feedback from your
respective
community groups
on the </span>question
of <span>rebalancing</span> the
Nominating Committee
(<span>NomCom</span>)
by *<b>30 June 2023</b>*.
As noted in the
letter, the ICANN
Board wishes to
engage with the <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">community to understand the community’s views
on this topic. The
Board is
specifically
seeking input on
the following
questions:<br>
<br>
1. What does it
mean to have a
balanced <span>NomCom</span> at
a point in time?
For example, what
criteria would you
apply to measure
or assess whether
the<br>
<span>NomCom</span> is
balanced? And
further, how can
one test whether
or not the <span>NomCom</span> is
balanced? </span></div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">A
balanced NomCom means that
the noncommercial and
commercial stakeholder
groups as predicted have
the same number of
delegates. For example, if
the Commercial Group has
three delegates, the
noncommercial group should
have three delegates. This
is the least that can be
done when rebalancing.It
should be remodeled based
on GNSO council
composition. </div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br>
2. Do you support
the view that the
current
composition of
the <span>NomCom </span>needs
to be <span>rebalanced</span>?
Please explain why
or why not.<br>
</span></div>
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<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Yes
it needs to be
rebalanced because as we
have argued the
noncommercials have
fewer delegates compared
to the commercial
stakeholder group. In
every ICANN group, the
commercial and
noncommercial
stakeholder groups
should have equal number
of delegates,
irrespective of how many
internal constituencies
they each have.<i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">
(SP see above, I doubt
this has support. we
just need to have
members for each
constituency, bearing
in mind that the
contracted parties do
not have
consitutuencies, and
the At Large has
regions not
constituencies.)</i><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Also
the advisory committees
either should be voting
delegates or non-voting
delegates. Perhaps
because ICANN is
privately led and the
chair of GAC is a
liaison on the board the
nonvoting nomcom (which
they have never
appointed) might make
sense but it is unclear
why some advisory
committees are voting
and some are not. <i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
</i></span></div>
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<i>SP The recommendation has already been
accepted to make all seats on the NomCom
voting</i><br>
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3. How frequently
does the balance
need to be
measured or
assessed?<br>
</span></div>
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<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">After
rebalancing, if the
review of various ICANN
structures lead to
structural changes
(which it rarely does) </span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">then
we need to assess
whether it should affect
delegation on Nomcom. <br>
</span></div>
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<i>SP I think it best, as I have said at every
PC committee when the matter ever came up, to
steer as clear of structural review as
possible. Lets agree on 10 years for NomCom
review once we get this settled, unless there
is a sudden need to reassess. Reviews take
time, money, staff resources, and are
exhausting our volunteers.</i><br>
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Commercial and
Noncommercial
stakeholders group. If
CSG has 3 delegates,
NCSG has to have 3
delegates too. We don't
necessarily ask for
increasing the number of
our delegates but we ask
to reconsider the number
of delegates CSG can
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<i>SP We appear to be winning the argument on
constituency representation, lets settle for
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Who should conduct
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<i>SP I believe the how refers to reallocation
of NomCom reps.</i><br>
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community group
prioritize
consideration of
this issue<br>
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has been a priority issue
for NCUC and NCSG since a
long time. We are directly
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<p>SP <i>Given that the NomCom reps are
supposed to act independently of their
organizations, I would avoid saying that we
are directly affected. Obviously we would
have had another seat years ago if everyone
in this organization had faith in that
independence, and the GAC might have
surrendered the seat they have never
used.....but we have to have a strong belief
in the independence and fair HR practices of
the new NomCom that will emerge after this
review. We are the ones who are short a
seat, so clearly it has been on our
priorities and it will remain there until
this fundamental injustice is corrected. To
my mind, we lack qualitative review of the
actual outputs of the NomCom, and we lack a
substantive study of what the goals of a
restructured nomcom might be. ICANN is 25,
and there are plenty of folks around who
have been here all that time. What does it
mean to get new blood to join ICANN from
outside the membership groups? What does
the MS model need after 25 years? How did
the review committee discuss this issue?
are there studies?</i></p>
<p><i>Those of you who sat on these groups, and
there are several of you out there who did,
please weigh in.</i></p>
<p>Kind regards, and apologies for the failure
to send the draft this weekend as planned.
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Additional
background on the
work to date on
this topic,
including by the <span>NomCom</span> Review
Implementation
Working Group that<br>
was set up to
implement the
outcomes of the
Second <span>NomCom</span> Review
(see <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence</a></span></div>
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<<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence</a>>
for each of the<br>
letters sent to
all 21 SOAC
leaders). In
addition, on 25
May 2023, the<br>
Chair of the
Board’s
Organizational
Effectiveness
Committee, Katrina<br>
Sataki, and
members of ICANN
org’s Reviews
Support &
Accountability
team<br>
gave a
presentation to
the GNSO Council
that covered the
present<br>
structure of <span>NomCom</span>,
a brief history of
the <span>rebalancing</span> matter
and<br>
forthcoming
actions. As such,
you may find the
presentation<br>
</span><<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/presentation/presentation-gnso-council-nomcom-rebalancing-revised-25may23-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/presentation/presentation-gnso-council-<span>nomcom</span>-<span>rebalancing</span>-revised-25may23-en.pdf</a>> and<br>
the recording<br>
<<a href="https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/7pSQ37mSB5wGz8-msQS2PDpzhQ6VdJQISm2SYmWKwfFMWFM_Z6FdMsFiipNyIV-E.J55mm5SBjoZJS9d9?startTime=1684990882000" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/7pSQ37mSB5wGz8-msQS2PDpzhQ6VdJQISm2SYmWKwfFMWFM_Z6FdMsFiipNyIV-E.J55mm5SBjoZJS9d9?startTime=1684990882000</a>> (from<br>
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planned feedback
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