<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the mail, Kathy. I have taken note of the concerns, and we will take the issue up.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><b>Wisdom Donkor</b> </font><font size="1">(CASP+, CISM, CEH </font><span style="font-size:x-small">Certified,</span><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1">President & CEO</font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1">Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation (AODIRF) | Africa Geospatial Data and Internet Conference (AGDIC)</font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1">P.O. Box CT 2439, Cantonments, Accra | <a href="http://www.aodirf.org" target="_blank">www.aodirf.org</a> / <a href="http://www.afrigeocon.org" target="_blank">www.</a><a href="http://agdic.info" target="_blank">agdic.info</a> </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1">Tel: +233 20 812 8851</font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1">Skype: wisdom_dk | Facebook: kwasi wisdom | Twitter: @wisdom_dk </font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1">_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________</font></div><div><font size="1"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">ICANN GNSO Council Member |</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> ICANN</span> transfer policy review working group Member | <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Council Committee for Overseeing and Implementing Continuous</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> Improvement (CCOICI)</span> | UN IGF MAG Member | IGF Support Fund Association Executive Committee Member, World Bank Independent Consultant | AU AFIGF Member | Ghana OGP Advisory Committee member | GSS SDGs Advisory Committee Member</font></div><div><font size="1">____________________________________________________________________________________________</font></div></div><div><font size="1">Specialization:</font></div><div><font size="1">E-government Network Infrastructure and E-application, Internet Governance, Open Data policies platforms & Community Development, Cyber Security, Geospatial Technologies, Open Source Technologies, Domain Name Systems, Human Resource Planning and Development, Software Engineering, Event Planning & Management, <br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:44 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Wisdom and Juan,</p>
<p>I'm returning to our discussion last week about the Statements of
internet (SOI). Of course, as Chair, Manju must be neutral. But
Juan and Wisdom, you do not have to be. You are advocates for the
needs and concerns of NCSG, and there are many on this issue! <br>
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<p>As you know from our written comments and discussion online, NCSG
<b>*</b><b>*wants open and public disclosure of who you work for
when you are negotiating ICANN policy; it is the right of other
people in the room (us for example) to know who we are
negotiating with and on whose interests (big, small, commercial,
noncommercial, name) someone seeks to advance.** <br>
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<p>There is nothing new about this type of policy disclosure in any
policy proceeding I know. It is very, very, very unusual to come
before a regulatory agency and NOT share who you are submitting
your comment for - what company or entity. Law firms almost never
submit comments in policy proceeding for themselves - they are
paid to submit them for others and the disclosure those clients.
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<p>I have to tell you that I am not happy with the current
compromise. It changes things a little, but not enough (IMHO). I
have been negotiating ICANN policy for too many years in Policy
Development Process working groups and other task forces where I
get the funny feeling that many people in the room (lawyers and
consultants) work for the same company, but have not disclosed. I
would like them to disclose - in full. It's fair, it's right and
its standard practice in other forums. <br>
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<p>It's not a violation of ethics rules for lawyers, and we (NCSG)
have given examples in our written comments.<i><b><br>
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<p><i><b>Wisdom, Juan, how can you/we fight more for our NCSG
position? How to we push this process to reveal more? It
would help us a lot in the future!</b><br>
</i></p>
<p>Best and tx, Kathy<br>
</p>
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conclusions are agreed upon with the proposal, we will share the
outcome with the rest of the CCOICI members.
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CISM, CEH </font><span style="font-size:x-small">Certified,</span><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span></div>
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& CEO</font></div>
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Open Data and
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Research
Foundation
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Geospatial Data
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ICANN</span> transfer
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Implementing
Continuous</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"> Improvement (CCOICI)</span> | UN IGF MAG
Member | IGF
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Development,
Cyber Security,
Geospatial
Technologies,
Open Source
Technologies,
Domain Name
Systems, Human
Resource
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Development,
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8:00 AM Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>
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23/05/2023 08:17, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen wrote:<br>
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> Last but not least, as the chair of CCOICI, I'll have to
be neutral in <br>
> the discussion. However, we do have both NCUC and NPOC
rep on the <br>
> CCOICI. If the NCSG finds the middle ground proposal
acceptable, I hope <br>
> our 2 reps will share this stance with the committee
during our next <br>
> CCOICI meeting.<br>
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Juan Manuel and Wisdom, what's your view?<br>
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Julf<br>
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