<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Farzaneh, everyone.<div><br></div><div>Please find my comments inline below.</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Jean F. Queralt</div><div>Founder & CEO - <a href="http://www.TheIOFoundation.org" target="_blank">The IO Foundation</a></div><div><a href="http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ" target="_blank">Book a meeting</a> (30 minutes)<br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>Sorry for the mess up. </div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div></div></blockquote><div>No worries!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">It was interesting because PIR was also there and they also made a statement about the necessity of disclosing who we represent in policy groups. We spent almost all the town hall time discussing this. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's actually a good thing, I take it.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The IPC made the point that sometimes disclosing clients can harm them (even when they are brands).</div></div></blockquote><div>Did they give any specific details as to how?</div><div>(It may be on the transcript, in which case I can look it up)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> Also they took issue with why we said "<i style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">If clients are not willing to be disclosed, they should not be represented." </i><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">They said it goes against inclusivity. </span></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div></blockquote><div>OK, I am going to call bullshit on this one.</div><div>If the whole purpose of the SoI is to clarify agendas and ensure transparency to avoid excessive force from lobbies then I see no reason to use salad words other than to muddy the subject.</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN is either transparent or it isn't. I fail to see how a realistic middle ground can be found without creating extra structures of non-disclosure (which tend to not be transparent by nature).</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Thomas Rickert (a councilor) made a good point that perhaps as well as the SOI we should have other mechanisms (maybe escalation?) that people can use if the interest of one company is over-represented.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's a logical take which opens 2 thoughts:</div><div>- Achieving this will necessarily require a full disclosure approach</div><div>- A danger to keep in sight is the establishment of quotas as they end up being weaponized. I don't have a clear alternative in mind though.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Manju made some good points about the process and will attend the task force informal session.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Cool.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Kathy also made great comments. I will find the transcript and send it to you. </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Excellent, thanks.</div><div>On that note, if you are OK with it would like to try to summarizing the transcript with some app I have and check with you if it is "accurate" enough. Though just a test run now, I would like to evaluate if that's something we can use in the future.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>I think we laid a good foundation to advance our position in the task force. </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great news. Thanks for the work and keeping us updated.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Jean</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Best regards </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 9:10 PM Jean F. Quéralt <<a href="mailto:JFQueralt@theiofoundation.org" target="_blank">JFQueralt@theiofoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Farzaneh.<div><br></div><div>(Re: "Oh I made a mistake and wrong thread! I am not gonna read the wiki page! I will read our SOI statement. :) )</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for that :-)</div><div>How did it go?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Jean F. Queralt</div><div>Founder & CEO - <a href="http://www.TheIOFoundation.org" target="_blank">The IO Foundation</a></div><div><a href="http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ" target="_blank">Book a meeting</a> (30 minutes)<br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 at 23:14, Jean F. Quéralt <<a href="mailto:JFQueralt@theiofoundation.org" target="_blank">JFQueralt@theiofoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I actually think it's moderate enough.<div><br></div><div>Small polishes:</div><div><br></div><div><i>The ICANN Statement of Interest (SOI) is a part of the crucial transparency governance mechanisms that help with healthy policymaking. ICANN policymaking processes are public and anybody can get involved. When involved with public policy making we need to know who is representing whose interest to avoid capture by the few powerful actors. Asking for confidentiality in SOIs endangers the integrity of the policymaking processes and makes it prone to capture. Attorney-client privilege should not apply to public policy making. If clients are not willing to be disclosed, they should not be represented.</i><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thx Farzaneh.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Jean F. Queralt</div><div>Founder & CEO - <a href="http://www.TheIOFoundation.org" target="_blank">The IO Foundation</a></div><div><a href="http://TIOF.Click/BookJFQ" target="_blank">Book a meeting</a> (30 minutes)<br></div></div></div></div><br></div><img src="https://app.dragapp.com/V1.18/emailTracking/track-email?uId=amZxdWVyYWx0QHRoZWlvZm91bmRhdGlvbi5vcmcsMTY3ODU0NzY4NjkyNg==&emailTemplateId=&emailFollowupId=" width="0px" height="0px"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 at 22:56, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">How about this:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The ICANN Statement of Interest is a part of the crucial transparency governance mechanisms that help with healthy policymaking. ICANN policymaking processes are public and anybody can get involved. When involved with public policy making we need to know who is representing whose interest to avoid capture by the few powerful actors. Asking for confidentiality in SOI endangers the integrity of the policymaking processes and makes it prone to capture. attorney-client privilege should not apply to public policy making. If clients are not willing to be disclosed, they should not be represented. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We can make it a bit more moderate! Welcoming Suggestions </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 3:20 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The idea of a one paragraph statement sounds like a good idea at the GNSO Townhall. Yes, there will be one. <br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Warmly,<br></div>Tomslin<div><span style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 04:24, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">We can write a one paragraph statement<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> and ask the representative to discuss? Is there a GNSO Townhall in Cancun, we can talk about it there as well. </span></div><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 12:19 PM Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 28/02/2023 17:41, farzaneh badii wrote:<br>
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> Let's talk to the contracted parties about this as well. Seems like we <br>
> are on the same side on this issue<br>
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They are. But they seem to be wondering why we haven't spoken up.<br>
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