<div dir="ltr">Hi Johan,<div><br></div><div>I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it comes to NomCom rebalancing.</div><div><br></div><div>If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the board except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then we can do internal constituency rebalancing.</div><div><br></div><div>The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat they have and so it's good we make our case clear enough.</div><div><br></div><div>Caleb</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Bruna,<br>
<br>
Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for quite<br>
a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition Program<br>
Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to them<br>
to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.<br>
<br>
The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be primarily<br>
a GNSO Council issue.<br>
<br>
The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look at the<br>
most recent NomCom appointments).<br>
<br>
Julf<br>
<br>
<br>
On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:<br>
> Hello, all,<br>
> <br>
> Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following questions <br>
> are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:<br>
> <br>
> 1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN recycling<br>
> veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board think it’s<br>
> beneficial for the community to have the usual suspects rotating<br>
> between leadership roles of different stakeholder groups? How do we<br>
> fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the Board imagine<br>
> its role in assisting the community to recruit more new blood?____/<br>
> 2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/<br>
> 3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the community from<br>
> volunteer fatigue?/<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set of questions <br>
> because these are either a. questions that cant necessarily be solved by <br>
> the board or b. things we have addressed with them before. Topics like <br>
> 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for more than just <br>
> one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound like a broken <br>
> radio repeating the same problems over and over again; added to that I <br>
> think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least one policy <br>
> topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its proposed <br>
> sounds a little empty.<br>
> <br>
> In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy topic I can <br>
> still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of changing one <br>
> of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to suggest something.<br>
> <br>
> Best,<br>
> Bruna<br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <br>
> <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Sam,<br>
> <br>
> Good observations. I can understand why you put the focus on career<br>
> progression but I think significant focus needs to also be put on<br>
> the category where participation is heavily motivated by simply<br>
> doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you suggest, this<br>
> category will neither build career capital nor will it provide any<br>
> resources for ICANN participation.<br>
> <br>
> Those in this category may have active careers, but their careers<br>
> are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their career does not<br>
> benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN. The employers<br>
> of those in this category are often not interested in ICANN's work<br>
> and do not support them in any way, even with leave off work to<br>
> travel to an ICANN meeting.<br>
> <br>
> Therefore, those in this category will certainly benefit and can<br>
> only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources were based on<br>
> participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes the<br>
> "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more complex. Not<br>
> recognising that this category of volunteers also heavily depend on<br>
> ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as well.<br>
> <br>
> Warmly,<br>
> Tomslin<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco, <<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I would like to add a couple of comments here. For years I ran<br>
> the listserv for the International Society for Third Sector<br>
> Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on volunteerism<br>
> and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem, and several<br>
> patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers are dwindling<br>
> through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger volunteers are less<br>
> forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is that due to a<br>
> generational behavioral shift or the changing demands of careers<br>
> and volunteer work?<br>
> <br>
> Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are motivated by three<br>
> drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal satisfaction; (3) career<br>
> advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder model, outside<br>
> NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are engaged as part of<br>
> their paid job (a form of career advancement). Inside NCSG young<br>
> participants join for all three reasons, with many seeing<br>
> participation to (hopefully) build career capital. This can be<br>
> particularly true for participants from areas where career<br>
> opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN participants<br>
> have support for participation, either as an expense account or<br>
> an ability to cost ICANN participation against professional<br>
> income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more binding and<br>
> ICANN support is usually essential, and more than just a “perk”.<br>
> <br>
> If one thinks of the elected and appointed positions within<br>
> ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the NCSG volunteer<br>
> participation challenge boils down to two things, one difficult<br>
> and one relatively easy. The difficult one is resources.<br>
> Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they go? Looking<br>
> over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests that many of<br>
> those who are active have careers (lawyers, academics,<br>
> consultants) where ICANN participation builds career capital,<br>
> and where careers provide some resources for ICANN<br>
> participation. The challenge here becomes that allocating NCSG<br>
> resources (travel) based on participation and ICANN knowledge<br>
> favors those already best positioned to participate. The “old<br>
> guard” gets the perks. This may become more complicated as ICANN<br>
> seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet Governance<br>
> (TIG) scope of policy.<br>
> <br>
> The easier part, again in my view, would be a major expansion of<br>
> mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in several ways and<br>
> build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea would be to<br>
> make elected positions include a mentorship responsibility, and<br>
> a process for selecting appropriate mentees. Mentee positions<br>
> would come with the additional resources to make participation<br>
> possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could also result in<br>
> greater career capital benefits, and increase the probability of<br>
> continued ICANN participation. One step in that direction might<br>
> be ICANN funding an in depth study of the experiences of ICANN<br>
> Fellowship participants (and others), both in terms of their<br>
> continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN work has fit<br>
> into their career progress, and in terms of the hard choices<br>
> they must make about volunteering.<br>
> <br>
> Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress here because we<br>
> can assume all participants are intent on “doing good” and that<br>
> “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does inside ICANN<br>
> and how that relates to one’s work life. I look forward to the<br>
> ideas and observations of others.<br>
> <br>
> Sam Lanfranco<br>
> <br>
> ----Original Message-----<br>
> From: NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>> On Behalf Of Johan<br>
> Helsingius<br>
> Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 5:45 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board<br>
> <br>
> > What level of effort is channeled to keep the people in the<br>
> community<br>
> > not to get tired. Same for those that have indepth culture<br>
> and ICANN<br>
> > experience that are exhausted and not actively participating<br>
> in PDP.<br>
> <br>
> Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a very serious<br>
> issue that needs to be addressed.<br>
> <br>
> Julf<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> */Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
> /*<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b><font color="#000000">Caleb Ogundele</font></b><div><font color="#000000">Mobile: +1-204-558-6904</font></div><div><font color="#000000">Email: <a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a></font></div></div></div>