<div dir="auto">Lets just not make this about visa issues Tapani. This is about substitution which can be dealt with. I have been banging in every door at ICANN since 2014 about visa issues and not many care. This is about substitution, lets make it about substitution. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 7:51 AM Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:10:22AM -0700, farzaneh badii (<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br>
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> The meeting with the CEO was on June 1st I believe.<br>
<br>
As you might have noticed, my message was sent on May 19. Determining<br>
why it took so long to get to the list would be an interesting task of<br>
computer forensics, but perhaps not relevant here. Anyway, the problem<br>
persists, and it's not new as you say:<br>
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> But I have opinions about visas (as you know). people who have visa issues<br>
> have been raising the problems and even provided some solutions since<br>
> forever. We put all of them here:<br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bKGEtdLkwAyPTcPtR9WqzH2wmW-pZmhhZfUWgejeKEU/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bKGEtdLkwAyPTcPtR9WqzH2wmW-pZmhhZfUWgejeKEU/edit</a><br>
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> Nothing has changed.<br>
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I would argue that things have changed to the worse. In particular the<br>
45-day rule and increased strictness in making exceptions has worsened<br>
the problem. A small change, perhaps.<br>
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> If this is about travel substitution, why make it about visa. Substitution<br>
> can’t take place sometimes when people face a personal problem etc. just<br>
> ask for substitution to be easier.<br>
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It might be interesting to ask why they were made harder in the first place.<br>
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But nonetheless it gives a good opportunity to highlight why such rules<br>
often have discriminatory side-effects. Everybody can have personal<br>
problems, but visa problems vary a lot depending on where you're from.<br>
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-- <br>
Tapani Tarvainen<br>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div>