<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Dear all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">We need to discuss DNS abuse and the trusted notifier idea. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">the CPH (again) came up with this idea. They had that idea when they were running "healthy domain initiative". We were not happy with it then, and I am not sure their framework is much better now. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Here is the framework they provided in 2021: <a href="https://www.rysg.info/wp-content/uploads/archive/Final-CPH-Notifier-Framework-6-October-2021.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.rysg.info/wp-content/uploads/archive/Final-CPH-Notifier-Framework-6-October-2021.pdf</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The problem with trusted notifier is that usually the ones who are trusted are also the ones that have been in this business and are more powerful and have the resources. They have set agendas (for example, advancing their IP rights). So they have the upper hand. I find it a terrible idea. There are assertions that these frameworks won't endorse any one group but I think they pave the way and legitimize such processes. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Before anything we need to see how much of this framework relate to ICANN mandate. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Here are a few things I have thought about:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Option 1 : go all against this framework, tell them it didn't work last time, it won't work this time.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Option 2: Ask them to use NCSG expertise in Human Rights framework, do an HRIA or something more lightweight. It is true that they have taken on I&J framework into account but to be frank I don't see a detailed focus or systematic way that can analyze human rights principles or just digital rights principles. Here is the document: <a href="https://www.internetjurisdiction.net/uploads/pdfs/Papers/Domains-Jurisdiction-Program-Operational-Approaches.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.internetjurisdiction.net/uploads/pdfs/Papers/Domains-Jurisdiction-Program-Operational-Approaches.pdf</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Option 3: Ask them to focus on streamlining processes and not privileging groups to report abuse.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></div>