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Here is an example of the risks of proceeding with accreditation and a "heavy" SSAD. Karklins is proposing (and has been proposing since he was chair of the EPDP) some kind of "AI" system in which the central gateway issues recommendations and eventually evolves
into a fully automated system. He also proposes automating accreditation.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good morning, Philippe, and all on the list.
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<div>Let me start by wishing very happy, successful and productive 2022. </div>
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<div>My initial reaction to your and Council leadership reflection is two fold - one always can hope for a better result, but also process can't be eternal. It already has been sufficiently long.</div>
<div>Cost is an issue and we should look into ways to reduce it. Automation of processes may be a solution. </div>
<div>We will not be able to change GDPR. Hence, manual review of requests will remain with us until the GDPR will be modified or Central Gateway recommendations systematically will be identical to the results of the manual review and CPs will accept to follow
the CG recommendations. </div>
<div>But all re rest in SSAD needs to be automated. That includes accreditation. Scrapping accreditation will not resolve the issue, but rather increase work (and the cost) for CPs who will need to do manual verification of identity of each requestor.</div>
<div>Automation of accreditation seems feasible. I recall my application for the Canadian visa (to attend ICANN meeting). I filed an online application and 15 min and 7$ later my request was approved. I doubt that a human was involved in that decision. Something
similar can be done within SSAD following existing policy recommendations on accreditation.</div>
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<div>Hope that might help. Or at least fuel conversation of the group.</div>
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<div>With greetings from Strasbourg</div>
<div>JK </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 8:13 PM <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Councilors, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear EPDP Phase 2 members, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear SG/C Chairs,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I trust this finds you all well. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Following the informal SSAD ODP update on 20 December, in which representatives from the ICANN Board GDPR Caucus, ICANN org, the GNSO Council and GNSO appointed members of the EPDP Phase 2 team participated, Council
leadership has worked with the staff support team on the attached paper which aims to provide a high level outline of the different ideas and suggestions that were made during that meeting. This is intended to serve as a basis for further discussions within
the GNSO community for how to prepare for next steps in the consultation with the ICANN Board, which is in the process of being scheduled.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To continue our conversation, obtain further input on possible next steps and assess whether there is possible convergence concerning next steps, we would like to schedule another call for the Council and GNSO appointed
members of the EPDP Phase 2 on <u>Wednesday 12 January at 6.00 UTC</u> (a calendar invite will follow shortly). Of course, if there are any ideas or suggestions that have not been captured in the paper, or any new ones that have come to mind since our last
meeting, please feel free to share these by replying all to this email. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">And Best Wishes for the New Year.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"> FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 3, 2021 4:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> '<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>' <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> EPDP Ph2 SSAD ODP and next steps<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Councilors,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For those that have attended the recent SSAD ODP Webinars, you may be aware that the SSAD ODP Team is in the process of finalizing its analysis, including its work on the SSAD Cost Model. As a result, the Council requested
consultation with the ICANN Board is expected to be scheduled in January 2022. To prepare accordingly for this consultation and possible next steps, Council leadership has worked with the staff support team to put forward the following proposed schedule:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">16 December 2021 at 14.00 UTC – GNSO Council meeting to discuss the approach outlined in this email<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_gmail-m_-3847161661948672374MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">20 December 2021 at 21.00 UTC – Update session on SSAD ODP, including SSAD Cost Model information for Council and GNSO appointed EPDP Team members (closed session)<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_gmail-m_-3847161661948672374MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">Between 21 December and January 2022, GNSO Council with input from SG/Cs to prepare for GNSO Council – ICANN Board consultation (e.g. informal conversations, formal meetings, mailing list discussion, small team – to be discussed)<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_gmail-m_-3847161661948672374MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">January 2022 (date TBC) – GNSO Council & ICANN Board consultation<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Although at this stage we do not have any further insight into what the SSAD Cost Model will tell us or how it may, or may not, change the positions on the SSAD recommendations, there are roughly three scenarios that
can be anticipated:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">ICANN Board determines that the adoption of the recommendations is in the best interest of the ICANN community and ICANN and adopts the SSAD recommendations – no further action expected from the GNSO Council at this stage;<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_gmail-m_-3847161661948672374MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">ICANN Board determines that the adoption of the recommendation is not in the best interest of the ICANN community or ICANN and does not adopt all or part of the recommendations – the GNSO Council will be requested to affirm or modify its
recommendations in the form of a “Supplemental Recommendation”. <u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="x_gmail-m_-3847161661948672374MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left:0cm">
<span lang="EN-US">The GNSO Council decides to avail itself of section 16 (“Amendments or Modifications of Approved Policies”) and agrees to modify or amend the recommendations before the ICANN Board considers the recommendations for approval.
<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To be clear, Council Leadership does not want to get ahead of the discussion and as such, we are not making any kind of prediction about which scenario is most likely, but we would like the Council and SG/Cs to start
thinking about these scenarios and consider what is needed to be prepared for the next steps.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Our main objective here is to make sure that conversations within the GNSO as well as with the ICANN Board are constructive and effective – it is on all of us to work towards an approach and outcome that we are all
willing and able to defend and live with. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please come prepared to share your feedback during the Council meeting on 16 December. Of course, you are encouraged to already start the conversation on the mailing list.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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