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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Zhou Heng:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think you are misunderstanding two things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">These comments apply to ICANN policies, not to the national law of China. We are talking about what ICANN’s contracted parties are required or recommended
to do. China can regulate registrars in its own jurisdiction any way it likes, but that is a problem for China’s registrars. ICANN’s global policies are a separate thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">“Real identity” in Chinese law refers to personal information (name, national ID #, etc.). This is separate from the issue of whether the registration
pertains to a company/organization. That relationship can be ambiguous, as our comments note, and saying that a registration requires “real identity information” does not eliminate that ambiguity. Are you talking about the identity of the organization or the
identity of the person making the registration for the organization. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Keep in mind that ICANN is a global governance regime not a national one. Chinese registrars do have to comply with Chinese laws but no one else does.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="https://internetgovernance.org/"><span style="color:#0563C1">Internet Governance Project</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Zhou Heng<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 15, 2021 4:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Public Comment Call for Volunteers - Input on the Initial Report of the Phase 2A EPDP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear Manju Chen</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">，</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
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For </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FFD966">8. Question for Community Input:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FFD966"> Are there legal
and regulatory considerations not yet considered in this Initial Report, that may inform Registries and Registrars in deciding whether and how to differentiate, and if so, how?</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I want to provide some information about China Network Security Law(</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">中</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft JhengHei",sans-serif;color:black">华人民共和</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">国网</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft JhengHei",sans-serif;color:black">络安全法</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">),
even though it may not be suitable to present it as a NCSG Comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">According to Article 24/61 of China Cyber Security Law, the service provider of Domain Name registration is obligated to require the registrants to provide their
real identity. Failed to comply such obligation, the China Network authority is entitled to shut down the domain name registration service.<br>
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Therefore, ICANN and its Contracted Parties should not only allow the registrants to self-identify as natural or legal persons, but to require the registrants to provide their true identification. Otherwise, ICANN and its Contracted Parties might face compliance
risk from China.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">You may refer to China Cyber Security Law here:</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Article 24 </span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333">Where network operators provide network access and
<b>domain registration services for users</b>, handle network access formalities for fixed-line or mobile phone users, or provide users with information release services, instant messaging services and other services,
<b>they shall require users to provide true identity information</b> when signing agreements with users or confirming the provision of services. If any user fails to provide his or her true identify information, the network operator shall not provide him or
her with relevant services.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Zhou Heng <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Assistant Researcher<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hunan Academy of Social Science<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft JhengHei",sans-serif;color:black">发件人：</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">陳曼茹</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">
Manju Chen" <<a href="mailto:manju@NII.ORG.TW">manju@NII.ORG.TW</a>><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft JhengHei",sans-serif;color:black">发送日期：</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2021-07-15 12:37:49<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">收件人：</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">主</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Microsoft JhengHei",sans-serif;color:black">题：</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Re: Public
Comment Call for Volunteers - Input on the Initial Report of the Phase 2A EPDP<br>
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Stephanie and I have drafted the NCSG's comment to the EPDP Phase 2A Initial Report as below:<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pWA92_Lt_91J3xwqQIiWUuNz37NkxohSc284z8MkqYw/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pWA92_Lt_91J3xwqQIiWUuNz37NkxohSc284z8MkqYw/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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Since the comment was supposed to be submitted via google forms, I copied and pasted the questions to the above google doc. You can find the questions marked in dark yellow and the response we drafted right underneath. Hope this will make it easier for you
to review and comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please feel free to comment on the google doc. We appreciate your invaluable input.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Manju<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:43 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There is a running public proceeding seeking to obtain community input on the Initial Report of the Phase 2A EPDP on the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration
Data Team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">It is an important one to us, so please let me know off-list if you'd like to volunteer for the comment drafting. It'll be nice to have more than one volunteer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">More information on the public comment can be found here :
<a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/epdp-phase-2a-initial-report-2021-06-03-en" target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/epdp-phase-2a-initial-report-2021-06-03-en</a><br>
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A draft Google doc for the comment can be found here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFpUPM26ZjKolabEdDQFh7tRWCBBHpix4CFWr2H-mko/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFpUPM26ZjKolabEdDQFh7tRWCBBHpix4CFWr2H-mko/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2021" target="_blank">
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