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    <p>Please read the legal opinions Milton.</p>
    <p>Stephanie<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-05-05 11:44 a.m., Mueller,
      Milton L wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,
              Manju<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
              you note, but were too polite to say, the “hold the line”
              position articulated by Kathy and Stephanie completely
              ignores the main issue facing us, which is the guidance.
              It is clear from your statement that their position does
              not have support among the EPDP representatives of NCSG,
              not because it is wrong but because it is irrelevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On
              “keeping the guidance from becoming a requirement,” I
              think we can actually win on that. I see no ability for an
              overwhelming consensus to develop on making it mandatory.
              I don’t think our team members or the CPs have ever
              disagreed on that.
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
              do think that there are differences about what the
              guidance should be. The registrars’ insistence on equating
              the legal person distinction with the presence or absence
              of personal data in the record is a point of disagreement.
              If we go that way, the registration process becomes a lot
              more complicated and expensive, the registrars become more
              involved in verifying the Registrant’s identity, and they
              acquire liability and responsibility, which we don’t want.
              Keep the guidance as simple as possible and let the motto
              be: Keep the registrant in control.
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr.
              Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia
              Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">School
              of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="https://internetgovernance.org/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">Internet
                  Governance Project</span></a>
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
              NCSG-Discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></a>
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>??? Manju Chen<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 5, 2021 2:42 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: Option 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi
                  all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                  agree with Stephanie and Kathy that we have to 'hold
                  the line', but my idea of 'the line' is a bit
                  different than the simple 'status quo'. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In
                  my opinion, the line we should definitely hold is 'to
                  keep the guidance from becoming a requirement'. So we
                  maintain that 'registrars should be able to choose to
                  differentiate or not' but develop guidance for if they
                  wish to do so. Basically Milton's scenario 3. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I'd
                  also like to point out that according to Volker's
                  statement on behalf of RrSG, they are not against
                  developing guidance either. In fact, the RrSG has
                  provided a table as their proposed guidance on this
                  matter. I would encourage us to work with CPs on
                  refining the table and make sure the final guidance
                  resembles RrSG's table instead of the
                  detailed instructions currently proposed by the
                  surveillance caucus. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Manju<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM
                Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kathy,
                      Stephanie, and NCSG members:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Personally,
                      I would have no problem falling in line with your
                      position. But there are two fatal flaws that you
                      need to address. First, you are describing only
                      what _<i>we</i>_ want and not thinking at all
                      about how you get consensus. Second, your
                      description of what we want does NOT correspond to
                      what will actually happen if we “hold the line.”
                      As much as I would like to promote harmony and
                      unity among NCSG EPDP representatives, I don’t
                      think you have thought things through.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
                      know perfectly well that we don’t want any
                      differentiation and that the registrars don’t
                      either. What you are overlooking is that the other
                      half of the EPDP does want it, and the board will
                      see the EPDP as deadlocked. So Option 1 will make
                      you feel very self-righteous in the short term,
                      but what happens next? You are, as I will show,
                      leading us down a blind alley.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
                      can think of 3 scenarios we can discuss as a basis
                      for action.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scenario
                      1.
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
                      “hold the line,” and we revert to Phase 1
                      recommendations unchanged. There is _<i>no
                        guidance</i>_. The other half of the EPDP just
                      gives up and accepts it. This result is not bad, I
                      admit, if that last bit happens.
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But
                      what are the Phase 1 recommendations? You have
                      misrepresented the “status quo” as not
                      differentiating legal and natural. WRONG. What
                      will happen under this option is that any
                      registrar or registry can choose to differentiate
                      in any way they like. And there will be no
                      guidance that you can appeal to if they do it
                      wrong. You say you don’t want registrars asking
                      users whether they are legal or natural. Well,
                      sorry, that can happen under your Option 1. A
                      deadlock on EPDP means that differentiation is
                      neither prohibited or required, it is up to the
                      contracted parties. Many registrars won’t do it,
                      but some will. Registries could do it, too. This
                      is the “let the market decide” option. Stephanie
                      has become a libertarian, I guess.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scenario
                      2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scenario
                      1 assumes the other side accepts defeat. But what
                      if we “hold the line,” and the other half of the
                      EPDP doesn’t accept it? The European Commission,
                      the US justice department, the GAC, SSAC, and of
                      course the IPC/BC and ALAC join a strong chorus
                      telling the board “something must be done.” The
                      Board is influenced, and refuses to accept the
                      recommendation, as it has done with the SSAD
                      (which the same group of stakeholders opposed). We
                      have seen the Board cave to GAC and governmental
                      demands again and again, the latest example being
                      “curative rights” for IGO acronyms, which the GNSO
                      never approved. Worse, the EC may modify its NIS2
                      legislation to require ICANN to differentiate. The
                      US congress could intervene. The issue festers for
                      another three – five years. Several powerful
                      players start attacking the multistakeholder
                      process. Maybe ICANN corrupts its process once
                      again. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scenario
                      3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scenario
                      3 is that we don’t require differentiation of
                      legal persons, but we develop consensus guidance
                      on how contracted parties should do it if they
                      choose to do it. This is the most likely scenario,
                      and it’s one that your position paper completely
                      ignores. If you do want guidance, the approach to
                      guidance that I have suggested is best, because it
                      is a very lightweight process of
                      self-identification by registrants. By offering
                      some differentiation it may defuse the opposition
                      of the other stakeholders. On the other hand
                      Stephanie’s complicated, expensive and
                      power-surrendering approach is not the kind of
                      guidance we want.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      now it should be clear to anyone who’s read this
                      far that Scenario 1 is not as wonderful as you say
                      and may not be possible. The EPDP is already
                      deeply invested in developing guidance about how
                      registrars should and should not differentiate. We
                      have been working on it for weeks. Unless
                      something changes radically in the next week, we
                      will actually produce some guidance about
                      differentiation. So, I suggest that we confine our
                      debate to Scenario 2: the developing of nonbinding
                      guidance. I suggest again that allowing
                      registrants to choose to identify their
                      registration as one of a legal person, with their
                      data published or automatically available via
                      SSAD, creates a path to consensus and to resolving
                      the issue, whereas your preferred path does not.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To
                      conclude, I call your attention to a pathology
                      that is paralyzing nearly all of ICANN’s working
                      groups. Defining your position and “holding the
                      line” is a strategy that all the SGs and ACs seem
                      to adopt now. It turns all these deliberations
                      into a bunch of people re-stating their position
                      again and again for 3-4 years, re-litigating
                      issues endlessly, avoiding any serious middle
                      ground. No thought is given to finding a solution
                      that achieves a critical mass of consensus.
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Anyone
                      who wants to be a serious participant in
                      developing the NCSG’s position in EPDP has to
                      answer a very basic question: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">How
                      does this end?
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What
                      is your scenario for achieving the level of
                      agreement needed to pass a policy?
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Looking
                      forward to your response.
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr.
                      Milton L Mueller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia
                      Institute of Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">School
                      of Public Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="https://internetgovernance.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Internet
                        Governance Project</a>
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:kathy@DNRC.TECH" moz-do-not-send="true">kathy@DNRC.TECH</a><br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 4, 2021 5:35 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Option 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tx
                      to Milton, Stephanie, Manju, Tapani, Farzi, Mark
                      Leiser, Kim von Arx and everyone else who
                      commented on our dicussion of options for the
                      EPDP.<br>
                      <br>
                      As it's time to wrap up this issue so our EPDP
                      members can present our view to the EPDP Group, I
                      co-wrote the email Stephanie posted earlier today
                      (attached below too). Best regards, Kathy<br>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                      <br>
                      Fellow NCSG members,<br>
                      <br>
                      <span style="color:#1F497D">></span>We would
                      like to work together to share our rationale for
                      Option 1 –
                    </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">maintaining
                      the status quo and not asking further follow-up
                      questions, mandatory or otherwise, about legal and
                      natural persons. While the EPDP phase 2a
                      discussions have been an educational and
                      interesting exercise, we are not under any
                      obligation to change the existing policy, or
                      further complicate it.<br>
                      <br>
                      As we have all discussed, legal/natural person
                      questions are very complicated for many of our
                      members who are often noncommercial and non-profit
                      organizations whose structure and ways of
                      obtaining domain names do not resemble those of
                      the large corporations other stakeholder groups
                      represent. Our members may have many layers of
                      privacy protection in less-well-known sections of
                      the GDPR, other local law, Constitutions and
                      international conventions.<br>
                      <br>
                      We learned that recent studies show that 50% of
                      gTLD domain name registrations are for natural
                      persons – and at least 25% more have overlapping
                      entity and personal data (e.g., the organization
                      name has personal data in it and is thus protected
                      as personal data).<br>
                      <br>
                      Stephanie and Kathy shared their concerns for
                      legal/natural person questions during our long
                      work on the Proxy and Privacy  Accreditation
                      Working Group.   We worked closely with the
                      Registrars Stakeholder Group to protect registrant
                      privacy – including Battered Women’s Shelters,
                      family planning clinics, and girls educational
                      institutions – all of which may be legal entities,
                      but have protectable data due to obvious danger
                      from disclosure in certain countries.   <br>
                      <br>
                      <strong><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In
                            light of the complicated world around us, we
                            support Option 1- the Status Quo. </span></i></strong>
                      We ask the NCSG to adopt this as our stance. 
                      <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Based
                          on the existing policy which makes
                          differentiation of legal/natural persons
                          optional for each registrar, we believe we
                          already have the</span></strong><b><br>
                        <br>
                        <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">- 
                                  best way to fight DNS Abuse,</span></strong><br>
                        <br>
                        <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">- 
                                  best way to protect individuals and
                            noncommercial organizations, and</span></strong><br>
                        <br>
                        <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">- 
                                  best way to follow GDPR and other
                            applicable human rights and free speech laws</span></strong><br>
                        <br>
                        <em><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Therefore,
                            we recommend NCSG “hold the line” and stick
                            with Option 1.</span></em></b><br>
                      <br>
                      <em><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As
                          the Registrars wrote in their EPDP Statement
                          on Thursday April 29:
                        </span></em><strong><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We
                            have heard plenty of vocal support in this
                            group to  [differentiate between legal and
                            natural persons in a mandatory fashion], but
                            to date the RrSG have not heard any
                            compelling reason to create policy that
                            makes this dramatic shift to the domain
                            registration landscape.</span></i></strong><br>
                      <br>
                      <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We
                          agree. </span></strong> Nothing will stop
                      other stakeholder groups from demanding further
                      disclosure of data, and lobbying other parties
                      including governments.
                      <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What
                          we can do in ICANN is come up with the best
                          solution for us at this time.</span></strong><br>
                      <br>
                      Many thanks to the members of our NCSG EPDP Team
                      for your hard work. This has been a long road. 
                      With new studies, new information and legal
                      opinions, we think we have a clear and strategic
                      path forward.  We believe our position to be
                      closely aligned with that of the Registrar
                      Stakeholder Group, which they articulated on April
                      29 (see below).<br>
                      <br>
                      Best, Kathy Kleiman and Stephanie Perrin<br>
                      <br>
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                      The Registrar Stakeholder Group issued their
                      position statement on Thursday (4/29):<br>
                      <br>
                      The members of the RrSG EPDP team have
                      participated in this process in good faith since
                      day one and will continue to do so; however, we
                      need to be crystal clear that members of our
                      Stakeholder Group, whom we are here to represent,
                      have voiced and recently reconfirmed their strong
                      opposition to any policy coming out of this group
                      that makes differentiation between natural and
                      legal persons for domain registrations mandatory.<br>
                      <br>
                      We have heard plenty of vocal support in this
                      group to do just that, but to date the RrSG have
                      not heard any compelling reason to create policy
                      that makes this dramatic shift to the domain
                      registration landscape. The Contracted Party can
                      make the most accurate assessment of their own
                      legal, technical, and commercial risks and
                      obligations, and is the only party that can
                      determine what level of risk they should assume.
                      The scope of this EPDP Phase 2a is to consider if
                      changes are required for the relevant
                      Recommendation; it has become clear through this
                      process that no such changes are required<br>
                      <br>
                      To the extent this group can focus its energies on
                      guidance to contracted parties which choose on
                      their own to make this differentiation, we
                      continue to believe that is a worthwhile exercise.
                      We believe that guidance materials including
                      educational information provided by ICANN in
                      multiple languages would help contracted parties
                      educate registrants and this would be a valuable
                      effort.<br>
                      <br>
                      That said, based on analysis done by our
                      stakeholder group's members, we reject the notion
                      that the majority of registered domain names are
                      registered to legal entities. We further remind
                      this team that we have not yet seen evidence that
                      increased publication of registration data will
                      address any of the problems which have been
                      mentioned so far in this phase, and that the
                      registration data is reliably and promptly
                      available to those who do have a legitimate reason
                      to access it.<br>
                      <br>
                      Finally we note that this statement represents the
                      official position of the Registrar Stakeholder
                      group, and statements from members of other groups
                      participating in the EPDP do not represent our
                      group’s position.<br>
                      <br>
                      <em><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(Source:
                          Transcript of EPDP-Phase 2A Team Call, 29
                          April 2021, Statement of Volker Greimann on
                          behalf of the Registrars Stakeholder Group
                          read into the record)</span></em></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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