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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Stephanie:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I knew that you were against what I was proposing but until now I did not know what you were actually for. This is seemingly cleared up in the email below. In my response I will first clarify some
of the misunderstandings you have about the issue, then I will take a critical look at the proposal you have made.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">></span>At no time have I ever suggested that it would be acceptable for registrars to overrule my designation of
<span style="color:#1F497D">></span>myself as a natural person, or in the case of a legal person, a statement that the contact data of employees
<span style="color:#1F497D">></span>needs to be protected because it contains personal data.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I could provide evidence to the contrary. If you are backing away from that position now, it’s good, we will have an easier time coming to an agreement. If we agree on this, you
will then agree that the “3<sup>rd</sup> scenario” in the current Guidance should be deleted, as I have suggested? A yes or no would be good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">></span>So to push all data of legal persons into a published registry is neither necessary or sound policy.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But that is not what we are debating. My idea gives legal persons who do not want to identify themselves as legal persons the right not to. No one is being pushed.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">></span>Now lets talk about how difficult it is to differentiate between legal persons and individuals.<span style="color:#1F497D">
</span>Milton makes it sound easy<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Again, you seem to misunderstand the issue that is before us. We are not promoting a process of “differentiating between legal and natural persons” We are promoting an ability
to “Self-designate” as a legal person, if you want to. That is not hard at all. That is tremendously easy, if you do it the way I am proposing. If you say you are a legal person, the RDS treats you as one. If you don’t, it doesn’t.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You go on to raise valid concerns about the complexity of registering a domain. Surprisingly, this is followed by a proposals that would make the situation worse!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Here is how I interpret what you are proposing: I am using your own words to characterize your position, so I think it should be correct, but if it’s not let me know in your response:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">individuals who register a domain must knowledgeably attest to one of the
following statements</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-1.0in;mso-text-indent-alt:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><span style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">they are
an individual, and if they choose to publish their personal information they are doing so in full knowledge of the risks and what will happen to their data</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-1.0in;mso-text-indent-alt:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><span style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">that they
are responsible for a legal person's registrations, and that they can attest to the fact that no personal information is being disclosed in the registration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">if the contracted parties feel there might be an error in the designation
of "legal person" they should err on the side of caution and protect their customer's data</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">OK. Now we have a basis for comparison.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Note, first that item b) directly contradicts your claim that the registrant’s decision cannot be overridden.
The registrar would have the authority to look at what data they entered, decide it’s wrong, and change it. This implies that the registrars are carefully reviewing every registrants’ record at the point of registration, checking out what choices they make,
and making a decision about its validity. This is not a slippery slope, you are at the bottom of the hill already. Note also how meaningless it is to say to “err on the side of caution”. Many registrars will err on the side of the lowest expense. Other registrars
may be told by their government to differentiate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Note, too that your “attestations” in a) and b) are actually trying to differentiate between legal and
natural persons. In your criticism of my proposal, you said it was really difficult to do that. You raised many complications and procedural non-uniformities in the registration process. You said that not all jurisdictions recognize the term, You said registrants
can’t understand all that stuff. But here we see that your solution doubles down on the process of differentiation and makes it all legally actionable.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">You are forcing – pushing was your word - registrants to make two legally consequential attestations
that are far more complicated than asking them whether they are a company. Then you are asking the registrar to check the accuracy of those attestations. I think we really want to avoid that. It is against the interests of both registrars and their customers.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">What happens if the person making the registration and attests (as in b) that there is no personal information,
and they turn out to be wrong? Are they legally liable for violating their attestation? Thanks, Steph, for criminalizing domain name registration.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">></span>I believe that if the contracted parties, who are the data controllers in this situation and therefore own the
<span style="color:#1F497D">></span>risk and the liability attendant with this decision, have to do this verification or trust the decision of the
<span style="color:#1F497D">></span>registrant, we will see either rising costs of domain names (if they do it right) or the same kind of opt-in
<span style="color:#1F497D">></span>situation we see throughout the world now, where people opt in to things without understanding their
<span style="color:#1F497D">></span>risk.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The proposal of yours that I outlined above would make the registration process more risky to BOTH registrars and registrants. You are asking for legal attestations, creating administrative
burden and risk, but you will not protect any more data. In fact, your option would likely protect fewer registrant records, because in my plan people who really are legal persons but don’t want to declare as such can do so, whereas under your plan they are
being put under the microscope and forced to make a legal attestation that they are one or the other.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This would also be drastically more costly. Two attestations by the registrant, a review of the choices made by the registrar, a possibility of the registrar overruling it, this
is all really complicated, non-automatable stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So I would have to conclude by saying that you need to reconsider your position, and take a closer look at the real consequences of it. Then compare it to mine. I look forward
to your support on that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Here is another key difference between us:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">></span>There is no need to compromise, and while I understand Milton's desire to compromise,
<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">></span>I see absolutely no need to do so here. <span style="color:#1F497D">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You say we just stick to our position. This is actually your strongest point and it’s one we need to face directly. It probably overrides all the others. I will address it in another
message. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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