<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thanks Farrell, that is great!!<div>Stephanie<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 28, 2021, at 14:00, Farell FOLLY <farell@benin2point0.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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also a number of hardy perennials in the EPDP combat zone that just keep coming back despite the agreed policy.....such as the fact that we are aiming for a harmonized policy, not just compliance with GDPR in regions where it's application is incontestable.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">This is a great comment, Sam, why don’t NCSG officers just copy and paste them into an emailed letter to the CEO and Board?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for raising this Farzi, i will confess that i was goofing off at Christmas and totally missed this letter. I will raise it at the next EPDP meeting, and I think this ought to be raised at Council as well. I should have raised it
at the meeting yesterday of the small team looking at the other SSAD response (letter from the Board) even if it is a mite off topic there....this is a real howler.</p>
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looking into purpose and context of such processing. ICANN is no "surveillance capitalist," but precisely if it sticks to its narrow mandate and to appropriately, narrowly designed processing, it will also steer clear of any form of trouble with (most) DPAs
and their related statutes. Now, if it starts giving in to pressures by certain interests to stop the "social harm" of fake gucci bags (hmm...), well, we get that kind of letter, I suppose.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you so much for raising this here Farz. I will definitely mention this topic when I have my next interaction with Goran. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">About the Content Moderation part, I agree with you that this topic might be absolutely out of the scope of the SSAD and ICANN as well. And this has been a point this community has raised before - more than just once and about Whois and
CoMo. I also happen to agree that the definitions of Illegal content and content related to societal harm are rather open and problematic for the SSAD - or for many other discussions as well. <br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif" class="">In my spare time, I got to read ICANN's letter dated 21 December 2020 to EDPB about compliance with GDPR. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif" class="">There was one alarming issue raised in this letter, and since the Internet community has been mentioned, I think we should at least ask Bruna to raise it with the CEO next time she talks
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which has nothing to do with the regulation of illegal content and that is outside of its mission. I don't know what they mean by societal harm. We have many times told ICANN not to be careless when it comes to the limited function of WHOIS and relate it to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif" class="">There are other matters in the letter as well but I haven't had the time to read closely, for example they are talking about "thick WHOIS" not happening because of the
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