<div dir="ltr">Hey all, <br><br>According to your input, these are my suggestions of talking points/questions for the CEO: <br><br><span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-e8b66c9b-7fff-ad8f-a6fa-51dfb51a1677"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">SSAD and Content Moderation</span></p><ol style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">On a recent communication that was sent to the Board and to you, we asked a few questions regarding an "</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">ICANN Org Comments on the Recommendations 01/2020 on Measures That Supplement Transfer Tools to Ensure Compliance With the EU Level of Protection of Personal Data</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">". NCSGs letter was seeking clarification about an specific part of the statement that highlighted that SSAD was "instrumental for stopping and preventing the dissemination of illegal content and in order to avoid related societal harms". On that note, I would like to ask you how the development of a new System for Standardized Access/Disclosure falls within the realm of instruments for preventing the dissemination of illegal content ? </span></p></li><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">When the document mentions the prevention of the dissemination of illegal content and societal harm, does it relate to factors other than the access to information object of legitimate requests by legal authorities and/or related to investigations ? </span></p></li></ol><br><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">DNS Abuse and the DNS Security Facilitation Initiative Technical Study Group</span></p><ol style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Do you believe ICANN is working towards security and stability and fighting DNS abuse as much as its mission allows? Are there grounds for improvement ? </span></p></li></ol><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:72pt;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Comment: NCSG has recently formed its own task-force for studying and defining its own understanding of DNS abuse and possible mitigation opportunities from a digital rights/civil society perspective.</span></p><ol style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">NCSG would also like to know more about the DNS Security Facilitation Initiative Technical Study Group. Where does this technical study group fall within ICANNs strategy for dealing with DNS abuse?
</span></p></li></ol><div><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">I believe we can take a further look into these questions at tomorrow morning's Policy Meeting, but am happy to hear your comments and suggestions here!
best, </span></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">B</span></font></div></span></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 3:16 PM Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Indeed, and the least they can do is make a publically archived
list so we can see their deliberations. I would add that
financial transparency for these initiatives would be a fine
thing, what did the last technical group led by Mohan, to
basically test RDAP, cost us?</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>On 2021-02-07 10:30 a.m., farzaneh
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<div>Thank you Bruna.
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<div>We can also discuss DNS abuse and ask the CEO about this
initiative: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/introducing-the-dns-security-facilitation-initiative-technical-study-group" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/introducing-the-dns-security-facilitation-initiative-technical-study-group</a></div>
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<div>This initiative was formed similar to the “strawberry tech
group” in a top-down manner and at the request of the CEO (I
believe that is the case).</div>
<div>The group’s responsibilities are very expansive <br>
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<div>And predictably, there is no digital rights scholar or
advocate on this team (not asking for NCSG rep but someone
with at least some kind of expertise in this area) <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/136120045/DSFI%20TSG%20Bios%20%287%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1593546327000&api=v2" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/136120045/DSFI%20TSG%20Bios%20%287%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1593546327000&api=v2</a></div>
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<div>The CEO might tell you that this is a solely technical
group. We have heard this argument before. Unfortunately,
a lot of these technical decisions are entangled with
policy matters as we saw at SSR2. Another assertion is
that this work is much broader than DNS abuse and doesn’t
have much to do with it. </div>
<div>Well, broader means inclusive of DNS abuse. </div>
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<div>Note that the group’s meetings are not recorded. The
group makes recommendations to the CEO for consideration.
We will have the chance to “review” the recommendations
which is a vague term. Review as in have a look at it or
actually comment on it. </div>
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<div>One argument in support of this group is that the Board
set the security matters as a priority for the CEO and he
is acting upon that. That is fine but at least it would be
good to have some observers from civil society to monitor
the process. </div>
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On Sunday, February 7, 2021, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 5, 2021
at 9:20 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear NCSG, <br>
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Hope this email finds you well! <br>
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We have two important interactions with ICANN
executives coming up - NCSG 1:1 Meeting with the
CEO and out meeting with the Board at ICANN70 -
for the two, I need to provide icann staff with
talking points. <br>
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The date of our meeting with the board at ICANN70
is not yet defined but my meeting with Goran is
taking place on Monday, <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">22 February. <br>
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Are there any ideas of discussion points or
questions you would like us to propose to any of
these meetings ?
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I recall <a class="gmail_plusreply" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">@farzaneh
badii</a> suggested something about the SSAD and
EDPB interactions and we also have an ongoing
interest in learning a little more about the ICANN
Org interaction with the EU Commission for data
protection purposes. Besides that, maybe DNS Abuse
is something else that can come up in these
conversations, anything else ? <br>
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Looking forward to hearing from you! <br>
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best, <br>
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