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<p>Indeed, nothing stops the list here from discussing the issues.
The goal of the small team is to pull together the issues and
challenges we are facing, as well as our strengths, and review our
structures. Sam started this discussion very well, and restated
the issue a couple of days ago. <br>
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<p>I prefer to call this thing a strategic review, partly because we
need one, and we need to figure ourselves out prior to the
upcoming GNSO review. What are we contributing to ICANN, more
specifically the GNSO Council and its work? How does our
structure and our use of funds and ICANN staffing resources
contribute to the broader goals, and our own specific objectives?
How well are we representing those we claim to represent?</p>
<p>We have a problem with burnout. We continue to lose people who
have worked long and hard for us, participating actively on
working groups and pdps, writing comments, and contributing to the
organization of which we are apart, the GNSO. As Bruna has stated
below, we HAVE to continue to address the issues of recruitment
and outreach. Understanding our priorities and making sure
resources are properly allocated to support the work is just
necessary maintenance to make sure we remain a healthy contributor
to the ICANN MS organization. As Farzi recently pointed out, this
is kind of a niche area of the Internet and it is not for
everybody. But for those who are interested and who can bring
energy and expertise, it should be rewarding and (gasp) fun. <br>
</p>
<p>For those interested in the topic of GNSO review, this page here
which calls for bids for the last one, contains a plain language
summary.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/review/2014">https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/review/2014</a>.
Navigating the ICANN website remains challenging despite recent
improvements, but it is worth understanding that we are part of a
structure that undertakes periodic reviews to ensure we are
maintaining constant improvement. This page will, with patience,
bring you to the results of the 2014 review and the previous 2008
review. This work is important to us.</p>
<p>Kind regards, <br>
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<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>That's indeed the aim of the WG. To consider all views in
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<div dir="auto">I think we need a webinar to discuss this
in detail as a community, not sure if there was any
meeting before or not, if we go against the merger or
promote it, then all views must be taken into account,
majority rules. A membership survey could cut the long
story short and being some level of acceptance.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 30 Oct 2020,
20:49 Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello everyone, <br>
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Coming back to this, - and withdrawing my previous
suggestion of discussing engagement within the
strategic review WG - I am convinced these are two
different groups.
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<div>Therefore, I believe we can continue with a
mission oriented Strategic Review Working Group that
would (a) review the structure, (b) propose
recommendations regarding a new NCSG structure and
bylaws amendments and (c) submit the proposal to the
broader NCSG community. As I mentioned in my
previous email: <i>This is not a definite decision
nor a compromise that NCSG is getting rid of its
two constituencies, but an effort taken on by some
of our volunteers on reviewing our structure in
order to see if a merger would represent
increasing our effectiveness.<br>
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Regardless of that, working on ways of improving
membership engagement and performing outreaches is
something we could go back to doing.
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@farzaneh badii</a> and others have already
provided a very comprehensive list of our engagement
issues but in case we have enough volunteers
interested in discussing them I would be happy to
get together and think of future actions/goals
(maybe on a second WG). <br>
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I will adapt the WG Charter once again and send it
to you asap. <br>
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best regards, <br>
Bruna <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all, <br>
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Thank you so much for your emails and input
provided to this thread. <br>
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I honestly think this working group proposal is a
good compromise in discussing two main things -
increasing the effectiveness of NCSG and thinking
about a new structure for our Stakeholder Group.
And, on a suggestion note - once the WG is
working, Its Chair could divide the volunteers
into a group that would work on effectiveness
proposals related to resources, newcomers
onboarding and other areas and a second one that
would be responsible for rethinking our structure.
The chair and vice-chair could then work on a
general report putting together the suggestions
from both groups.<br>
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Despite some of us stating their disagreement to
the strategic review going down the path of a
possible merger, I would also like to remind you
that when Sam proposed it on our lists it has
startled a lot of debates and interest in a
renewed NCSG Structure - and thats why I have not
ruled out the possibility of a merger on what we
are calling the WG Charter. <br>
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Finally, as listed on our document, this WG would
propose suggestions for a possible merger for the
membership to discuss then. This is not a definite
decision nor a compromise that NCSG is getting rid
of its two constituencies once this group starts
its work, but a signal that some of our volunteers
will be reviewing our structure in order to see if
a merger would represent increasing our
effectiveness. Whether we oppose this idea or not,
it is relevant for us to get this WG going and
opening a discussion with the broader membership
in the future - and I dont think some of us merely
disliking the idea should be an impediment. <br>
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That being sad, although I am not joining this
working group, I would be happy to liaise with its
members for whatever is needed and also discussing
possible paths for improving our effectiveness. <br>
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Best Regards, <br>
Bruna Santos <br>
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think the goal of this group is to
increase the effectiveness of NCSG as a
whole! One way to increase the
effectiveness could be a merger. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You
can start by doing an analysis of the
advantages and disadvantages of having
stand alone constituencies (you have
some of the points in the Google doc).
No option should be off the table. Also
perhaps we can be more creative and
think beyond having constituencies - we
don't have to have overly bureaucratic
constituencies where everyone is doing
their own thing (own EC meetings own
bylaws etc) . We can just have various
interest groups that contribute to the
NCSG without having to have 6 EC members
(or leadership members) in each
constituency and another 5 in
stakeholder group. On top of that we
have 10 people on NCSG PC! do we even
have 27 odd active volunteers? Sometimes
we don't so people take on two roles! </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All
solutions should be kept on the table.
Maybe merger is not the only solution,
but we should not overrule it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
agree with Milton that discussing
"membership engagement" is really a
distraction. It should be discussed but
somewhere else. We have discussed this
issue for so long. For this group, we
should accept the fact that we have a
limited pool of active membership and
how we can make their participation more
effective. </div>
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L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And
here (Joan’s message below) is a
good example of what I just said
in my earlier message. The
merger topic and the engagement
topic are completely different
and appeal to different people.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
would volunteer for a group
exploring the merger. I would
not volunteer for the
“increasing participation”
group.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Joan Kerr <<a href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joankerr@fbsc.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October
29, 2020 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L
<<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Proposed
modification of NCSG Strategic
Review Working Group</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">I
would like to join this
group to discuss ways to
work together for common
goals such as education,
outreach, mentorship and
increasing participation.
If discussing a merger is
the main subject, then I am
not interested.</span></p>
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on our discussion today
during the ICANN meeting,
I would propose to modify
the Working Group charter
to say this:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
task of the Working Group
will be to explore the
issues raised by an
attempt to merge the two
constituencies into an
integrated Noncommercial
Stakeholder Group. The
group will conduct a
thorough fact-finding
operation to address:</p>
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Whether or not double
constituencies creates
duplicate administrative
work</p>
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impact of a merger on
ICANN travel support and
other resource
availability</p>
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charter changes that would
have to be made to
implement a merger</p>
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Whether diverse policy
perspectives would be
reduced by a merger</p>
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other relevant issues
related to a merger it
uncovers</p>
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