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    <p>Hi folks.  Of course we can talk about whatever we want, and if
      we want the Board to prepare we can send an addendum. See the
      highlighted portion of my message below.  What I was looking for
      was some kind of focused question about this nine paged document. 
      IF you just want to ask questions , I am not really sure we need
      to add a further addendum, but in the interests of time I am
      sending a generic question.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Re Milton's second proposal.....I certainly get the concern.
      Further legal certainty is quite likely to lead to LESS
      centralization in my opinion.  However, given that Goran has
      historically not appreciated us correcting him and his letters
      describing the EPDP and the DPAs, I am not sure we gain much by
      barking up this particular tree.  We have a question on the EPDP,
      we can raise it then if we really want to start a fight.</p>
    <p>On the matter of the Operational Desigh Paper, I would invite
      those who have expressed concern to raise this issue for us
      (James, Milton, Bruna).  I would add Rafik, who made a few
      eloquent points about it in the GNSO Council webinar the other
      day.  Procedurally, I think it is very important that any
      operational concerns be raised during the policy development
      phase, not at the Board decision phase.  ICANN is morphing into a
      bureaucracy, not a multistakeholder organization where policy is
      developed by the stakeholders. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Thanks for your interest in this topic!!  I apologize if I was a
      bit snippy about the deadlines, but nobody ever thinks about these
      things until the last minute.</p>
    <p>Cheers Stephanie<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-10-07 11:40 a.m., Mueller,
      Milton L wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bruna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
              can discuss it with the board. Stephanie just needs to
              update our request. I have heard directly from board
              members that other constituencies do this all the time.
              Just send them a revised list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
              NCSG-Discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></a>
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:26 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: Congratulations and a reminder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I'm
              assuming Milton and James are referring to the group that
              issued the Operational Design Phase Paper. According to
              the document: "The Operational Design Phase will be
              initiated by the Board and include two tracks of activity:
              ICANN org’s assessment of the impact of proposed policy
              recommendations; and the opportunity for community
              feedback on such an assessment.". <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Definitely agree with the
                concerns and, despite the fact that we won't be able to
                discuss it with the board, should I add this to the NCUC
                meeting agenda ? Or maybe we can open a different thread
                on this topic. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Best, <br>
                B<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 5:35 PM
                Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Unfortunately,
                  i had to submit the topics by the deadline yesterday. 
                  However, the topics fit under the epdp topic.  Can you
                  give me a reference for this Design feedback group to
                  cite please?  <font size="+3"><b> I will send  this
                      addendum.</b></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On
                      Oct 6, 2020, at 15:14, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would propose two
                          topics.
                        </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">      
                        </span><span style="color:#1F497D">One would be
                          to second (or third) James Gannon’s suggestion
                          that we critically assess the so-called Design
                          Feedback Group.
                        </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">      
                        </span><span style="color:#1F497D">The other is
                          that we discuss the letter that Goran sent to
                          three European commission members regarding
                          the SSAD. In that letter, The ICANN CEO
                          mistakenly claims that “the community
                          recommended that the SSAD should become more
                          centralized in response to increased legal
                          certainty.” This is simply not true.
                          Recommendation 18 called for the creation of a
                          Standing Committee that could modify the SSAD,
                          but nowhere it is stated that we are commited
                          to more centralization in response to
                          increased legal certainty. “</span>The Charter
                        must allow the Committee to address any
                        operational issues involving the SSAD. This may
                        include, but is not limited to, topics such as
                        Service Level Agreements (SLAs), centralization
                        / de-centralization, automation, third party
                        purposes, financial sustainability and
                        operational / system enhancements.”<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">In both of these cases,
                          we see ICANN’s CEO attempting to bypass or
                          create parallel processes to the legitimate,
                          bottom up policy development process of the
                          GNSO. There is a pattern here, and it must be
                          confronted. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                            NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 5, 2020 5:55 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: Congratulations and a
                            reminder<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                        would strongly support a very hardline
                        discussion on the new Design Feedback Group
                        concept that has been proposed, it runs the risk
                        of fundamentally undermining the GNSO in a very
                        real manner and needs some serious discussion
                        before it becomes embedded and too late to
                        object to its role and scope.<o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">---</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">James Gannon</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">From:
                            </span></b><span style="color:black">NCSG-Discuss
                            <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>
                            on behalf of Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
                            <b>Reply to: </b>Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
                            <b>Date: </b>Monday, 5 October 2020 at
                            07:29<br>
                            <b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>"
                            <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
                            <b>Subject: </b>Re: Congratulations and a
                            reminder</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p>While I have your attention, may I
                                please remind you that we have to have
                                proposals for topics to discuss withe
                                the Board by Monday.  So far, noone has
                                proposed anything except Kathy Kleiman,
                                who thinks (as I do) that a discussion
                                of the new google format for seeking
                                comments may be a good topic.  I don't
                                know about the rest of you, but I find
                                this new format, while helpful to staff
                                in compiling comments, restricts the
                                ambit of comment and may lead to bias.
                                It is also a nightmare to navigate, in
                                my opinion, having had a difficult time
                                following the EPDP comments.  I am about
                                to review the comment on Sub Pro (Here
                                is the form:
                                <a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-draft-final-report-2020-08-20-en" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-draft-final-report-2020-08-20-en</a>)
                                and I expect it to be a painful
                                experience as well.  Don't let my
                                grumbling deter you though, please take
                                a look at what has been submitted on
                                this important topic, available here <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOCuHrCIWc3D9aJV2-woOob8atmg6o20AzE7NMse5CE/edit#gid=472588409" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOCuHrCIWc3D9aJV2-woOob8atmg6o20AzE7NMse5CE/edit#gid=472588409</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                              don't have an issue with the use of forms.
                              I understand the weight of habit, how it
                              is hard to change that we might find it
                              easier to write comments on more or less
                              freestyle ( which IMHO encourages focus in
                              many occurences on rhetoric than
                              substance). there is a reality check,
                              public comments are not asking simple
                              questions that expect straightforward
                              answers . It usually includes more than
                              dozen of policy recommendations , plus all
                              kinds of questions from WG asking for
                              input. I see that it requires structure
                              that a form outline can give and help. Is
                              there another alternative to explore which
                              can give better experience? maybe, it can
                              be something to explore<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We
                              complained before that some of our
                              comments might not have been captured in
                              staff summary, that is unlikely to happen
                              with form where responses and questions
                              are clearly indicated and visible. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p>In the absence of other suggestions
                                coming from members, I am going to
                                propose discussing the results of ICANN
                                investment and participation in the
                                Internet and Jurisdiction project. 
                                Members may be aware that ICANN has
                                participated at the Board level in this
                                interesting work, and while I have no
                                figures for the financial investment, it
                                must be significant, judging from the
                                level of participation of staff and the
                                Board.  The problem of jurisdiction and
                                choice of law remains one of those hardy
                                perennials, we certainly had it arise in
                                the context of the EPDP, and the recent
                                Schrems II decision (<a href="https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2020-07/cp200091en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2020-07/cp200091en.pdf</a>)
                                and the US White Paper response to that
                                decision (<a href="https://www.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/2020-09/SCCsWhitePaperFORMATTEDFINAL508COMPLIANT.PDF" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/2020-09/SCCsWhitePaperFORMATTEDFINAL508COMPLIANT.PDF</a>)
                                brings the issue of transborder dataflow
                                back into focus.  I realize this is not
                                everyone's interest, but it is mine, and
                                if you are not going to suggest
                                anything, this is what I propose to
                                inquire about.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                              have a suggestion, I want to discuss with
                              the board about implementation and
                              approval of recommendations. In particular
                              there is a new idea from ICANN CEO
                              proposed to SO/AC leaders to have design
                              implementation to help the board before
                              approving recommendations.  It looks ok
                              but we need to think about the whole PDP
                              lifecycle (we tend to focus on the WG
                              phase)  and the impact of such a new
                              vehicle on certain PDPs. There are also
                              issues regarding implementation like for
                              EPDP phase 1 that I would discuss with the
                              board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Rafik<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>Bruna Martins dos
                                Santos </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Skype ID:
                              bruna.martinsantos<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">@boomartins<o:p></o:p></p>
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