<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie, all<div><br></div><div>Briefly:</div><div>I. It's a formal point, but they should make certain edits when referencing the Bylaws. In the quote here "process" is used several times but references two different matters (the overall process of constituting a panel and the process of choosing the people who will choose the panelists)</div><div>III. I think the 1st one is fine. </div><div>III.D. the group should determine its own chair. That way the chair will be more legitimate. See below...</div><div>IV.A. recorded and transcribed yes, then released when appropriate, so maybe after the panel decision? </div><div>IV.B. Consensus yes, also yes to chair designation, and no minority statement as I don't think there should be a report for a panel constitution. This is not a policy discussion. Of course it's highly political and potentially contentious, much like policy, and adjudicatory processes do have minority statements in many "legal cultures," and they serve a useful purpose. But in these cases the authority of the adjudicatory process is strongly entrenched (think a supreme court). The authority of an IRP panel decision, judging by previous ones, is, let's say, modest... To the extent that panelists are better chosen than before (that is, more representative of the community) I think it's fair to insulate them a little bit now. But that's an important matter, and I understand others may disagree. </div><div><br></div><div>Have a nice day, </div><div> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:02 AM Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I would appreciate receiving your feedback on this draft terms of
reference for the Community Representatives Group for the IRP
(Independent Review Process) at your earliest convenience. This
is an important procedure so we should try to focus on it to make
sure our interests will be reflected. I have put the draft Tors in
a google doc here:
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qxm_TbdOp7ldKY0be34he95Xp-wT5q19ZOvZbMGcjrQ/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qxm_TbdOp7ldKY0be34he95Xp-wT5q19ZOvZbMGcjrQ/edit?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p>Warning: This is heavily procedural. Possibly not everyone's cup
of tea, but an important procedure to think about, for those who
are interested in these matters. Relevant discussions and links
below.<br>
</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin</p>
<p>NCSG Chair.<br>
</p>
<div><br>
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<td>FOR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK: Draft Terms of Reference for
Community Representatives Group regarding IRP Standing
Panel Selection</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
<td>Tue, 25 Aug 2020 01:18:30 +0000</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">From: </th>
<td>Mary Wong <a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank"><mary.wong@icann.org></a></td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">To: </th>
<td>Susie Johnson <a href="mailto:susie.johnson@icann.org" target="_blank"><susie.johnson@icann.org></a>, Manal
Ismail <a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank"><manal@tra.gov.eg></a>, Austin, Donna
<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank"><Donna.Austin@team.neustar></a>,
<a href="mailto:aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com" target="_blank">aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com</a> <a href="mailto:aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com" target="_blank"><aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com></a>,
<a href="mailto:oscar@lacnic.net" target="_blank">oscar@lacnic.net</a> <a href="mailto:oscar@lacnic.net" target="_blank"><oscar@lacnic.net></a>, Katrina Sataki
<a href="mailto:katrina@nic.lv" target="_blank"><katrina@nic.lv></a>, Drazek, Keith
<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank"><kdrazek@verisign.com></a>, <a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>
<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank"><maureen.hilyard@gmail.com></a>, Fred Baker
<a href="mailto:fred@isc.org" target="_blank"><fred@isc.org></a>, <a href="mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com" target="_blank">rod@rodrasmussen.com</a>
<a href="mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com" target="_blank"><rod@rodrasmussen.com></a>, <a href="mailto:aheineman@godaddy.com" target="_blank">aheineman@godaddy.com</a>
<a href="mailto:aheineman@godaddy.com" target="_blank"><aheineman@godaddy.com></a>, Selli, Claudia
<a href="mailto:claudia.selli@intl.att.com" target="_blank"><claudia.selli@intl.att.com></a>, Heather Forrest
<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank"><haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>, Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
<a href="mailto:wuknoben@gmail.com" target="_blank"><wuknoben@gmail.com></a>, Stephanie E Perrin
<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>, Bruna Martins
dos Santos <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><bruna.mrtns@GMAIL.COM></a>, Joan Kerr
<a href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org" target="_blank"><joankerr@fbsc.org></a>, David Olive
<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org" target="_blank"><david.olive@icann.org></a>, Samantha Eisner
<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank"><Samantha.Eisner@icann.org></a>, Elizabeth Le
<a href="mailto:elizabeth.le@icann.org" target="_blank"><elizabeth.le@icann.org></a>, Amy Stathos
<a href="mailto:amy.stathos@icann.org" target="_blank"><amy.stathos@icann.org></a></td>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear
community leaders,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Please find
attached for your and your community groups’ review and
feedback a draft set of Terms of Reference concerning the
Community Representatives Group that will be tasked to work
with ICANN org and an external consultant to select a slate
of nominees to the IRP Standing Panel for confirmation by
the ICANN Board. This was ICANN org’s action item from the
call we all had on 27 July and we look forward to your
feedback.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">You will see
that the draft incorporates the suggestions and feedback
from that call and includes a number of suggestions and
questions in square brackets that await your further
consideration and decision. In addition, there is a
suggested timeline on Page 2 that we hope will be helpful to
you in determining the level of commitment that can be
expected of members of the Group. While the actual cadence,
timing and duration of the Group’s meetings remain to be
determined, we think that the initial work will likely
require several hours of commitment per week.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">We look
forward to receiving your input so that we can finalize the
Terms of Reference as soon as possible following the end of
the Expression of Interest period for potential panelists on
31 August. To that end, we propose organizing another call
with you to discuss your feedback either next week or as
soon as possible. At the next call, we also hope that you
will be able to decide on how you wish to populate the Group
so that we can proceed with the selection work without
delay. We will circulate a Doodle poll shortly to determine
a day and time for this next call.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you
again for your attention and guidance on this important
matter.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Best
regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Mary<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Mary Wong <a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank"><mary.wong@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 18:29<br>
<b>To: </b>Susie Johnson <a href="mailto:susie.johnson@icann.org" target="_blank"><susie.johnson@icann.org></a>,
Manal Ismail <a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank"><manal@tra.gov.eg></a>, "Austin, Donna"
<a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank"><Donna.Austin@team.neustar></a>,
<a href="mailto:aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com" target="_blank">"aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com"</a>
<a href="mailto:aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com" target="_blank"><aftab.siddiqui@gmail.com></a>, <a href="mailto:oscar@lacnic.net" target="_blank">"oscar@lacnic.net"</a>
<a href="mailto:oscar@lacnic.net" target="_blank"><oscar@lacnic.net></a>, Katrina Sataki
<a href="mailto:katrina@nic.lv" target="_blank"><katrina@nic.lv></a>, "Drazek, Keith"
<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank"><kdrazek@verisign.com></a>, <a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">"maureen.hilyard@gmail.com"</a>
<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank"><maureen.hilyard@gmail.com></a>, Fred Baker
<a href="mailto:fred@isc.org" target="_blank"><fred@isc.org></a>, <a href="mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com" target="_blank">"rod@rodrasmussen.com"</a>
<a href="mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com" target="_blank"><rod@rodrasmussen.com></a>, <a href="mailto:aheineman@godaddy.com" target="_blank">"aheineman@godaddy.com"</a>
<a href="mailto:aheineman@godaddy.com" target="_blank"><aheineman@godaddy.com></a>, "Selli, Claudia"
<a href="mailto:claudia.selli@intl.att.com" target="_blank"><claudia.selli@intl.att.com></a>, Heather Forrest
<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank"><haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>, Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
<a href="mailto:wuknoben@gmail.com" target="_blank"><wuknoben@gmail.com></a>, Stephanie E Perrin
<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>, Bruna Martins
dos Santos <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><bruna.mrtns@GMAIL.COM></a>, Joan Kerr
<a href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org" target="_blank"><joankerr@fbsc.org></a>, David Olive
<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org" target="_blank"><david.olive@icann.org></a>, Samantha Eisner
<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank"><Samantha.Eisner@icann.org></a>, Elizabeth Le
<a href="mailto:elizabeth.le@icann.org" target="_blank"><elizabeth.le@icann.org></a>, Amy Stathos
<a href="mailto:amy.stathos@icann.org" target="_blank"><amy.stathos@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Notes and Recording from the IRP Standing
Panel Discussion with Community Leaders<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear
community leaders,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you to
everyone for continuing to work with ICANN org on moving
forward with the community’s important role and the
appropriate process for selecting nominees to the IRP
Standing Panel. Thank you also to those chairs who were able
to attend the call yesterday. Attached for your reference as
well as consultation with your respective community groups
are: (1) the notes and action items from the call; and (2)
the chat transcript during the call.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The actual
call recording can be accessed here:
<a href="https://tinyurl.com/y3qvrv2o" target="_blank">https://tinyurl.com/y3qvrv2o</a>. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">As always,
please feel free to contact me or any of my ICANN colleagues
included on this email thread with your questions and
comments. Thank you!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Cheers</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Mary</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:susie.johnson@icann.org" target="_blank">susie.johnson@icann.org</a><br>
<b>When: </b>13:00 - 14:00 July 27, 2020 <br>
<b>Subject: </b>IRP Standing Panel: Discussion with
Community Leaders<br>
<b>Location: </b>Zoom:
<a href="https://icann.zoom.us/j/97966534753" target="_blank">https://icann.zoom.us/j/97966534753</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear
Community Leaders: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Please
find below the call details for the IRP Standing Panel:
Discussion with Community Leaders conference call: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Time: Jul
27, 2020 17:00 UTC; 10:00 am PT; 1:00 pm DT </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Join Zoom
Meeting </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://icann.zoom.us/j/97966534753" target="_blank">https://icann.zoom.us/j/97966534753</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Meeting
ID: 979 6653 4753 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Passcode:
IRPStand-1 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">If joining
by phone: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Meeting
ID: 979 6653 4753 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Passcode:
9380203992 </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Find your
local number: <a href="https://icann.zoom.us/u/abx8Ojg02a" target="_blank">
https://icann.zoom.us/u/abx8Ojg02a</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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