<html><body><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><div><font color="#990000">Raymond, et. al.,</font></div><div><font color="#990000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000">I hope that the dialogue going forward does not focus on a binary Yes/No re: considering a merger.</font></div><div><font color="#990000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000">I triggered the discussion as a way to get each part of the troika, and each and every member, to give thought to how to increase the effectiveness and efficiency of our joint mission within ICANN's mission and its work agenda. My three core concerns were, and are, a terrible shortage of volunteers to participate in the main work of ICANN, the PDP working groups, the draft review processes, and such; a considerable lack of success, both on our own and in collaboration with ICANN's efforts, to grow our engaged stakeholder base (by which I mean both more stakeholder members, and more engagement in processes by members; and lastly, the question: is the current structure too top heavy with administrative positions?; and what are the consequences of that for working group engagement, and for entitlements to travel for work at face-to-face ICANN meetings. <br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000">As a personal observations, I view face-to-face meetings, across stakeholder groups and with ICANN staff and the Board, for fine tuning and advancing the online work of ICANN. I also view them as forward looking and as an opportunity to explore issues, for collaboration around issues of ICANN mutual interest. But, have felt that way too much of the time and engagement by much of the troika at such meetings has been spent dealing with troika member "in house" issues, or using it as almost a public relations opportunity. "In house" issues should be dealt with elsewhere, especially when it comes to the perennial issue of growing membership. Given the extreme high cost of ICANN literal meetings, both in terms of ICANN financial resources and member time commitments, we need a discussion on how to do better there. <br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000">I would add other issues such as how to build regional representation, how to promote (and reward?) regional engagement, and innovative (low cost) online mentoring.</font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000">In my view, the purpose of the discussion is to do better, not to line up sides on a binary merger poll or vote. <br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" color="#990000">Sam Lanfranco</font><font color="#990000"><br></font></div><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#990000"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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<![endif]--></font></font></font></font></font><br><blockquote style="border-left: solid 2px #000000; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px">---- Original Message ----<br><b>From</b>: Raymond Mamattah <mamattah.raymond@GMAIL.COM><br><b>To</b>: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br><b>Sent</b>: Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 5:45 PM<br><b>Subject</b>: Re: Minutes from the Leadership Call on the merger/strategic review<br><br><div dir="auto">Hello Bruna and all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is it possible to do a poll to see those who are in favor or against the motion of the merger before we even continue with forming the WG?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Out of the lots on the mailing list only few have contributed to the discussion so far.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe it's just right to act in the best interest of the members, hence a simple poll for or against the motion I believe will suffice.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Raymond Mamattah</div><div dir="auto">Accra-Ghana</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 9:23 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a onclick="return checkLinkHref(this.href);" target="_blank" href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">And, if I may add, the selected part of the meeting minutes are just a reflection of the discussions hosted by a very restricted group of people. As Raphael mentioned, we are also kicking off the same discussions that happened on the list and this specific perception is not really relevant if our members decide that we should go for the merger. <br><br><div>But, imho, before we decide on going forward with the proposal having a working group or any assessment that would look into the hardships, resources, leadership position and so on would be much needed. </div><div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div>Bruna Santos </div><div>NCUC Chair </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 3:27 PM Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <<a onclick="return checkLinkHref(this.href);" target="_blank" href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div>Answer below was mistakenly sent to Raymond only - so here it is for everyone else:<div><br></div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Raymond,<br><br>In the present case, Bruna and I wrote them, and they were reviewed by all the ECs' members before being put on list. I believe that having such a review would prevent biased reporting from slipping in. But I agree it would be good practice to indicate who was in charge of putting minutes together, and that is duly noted for the next calls.<br><br>As for your specific question, the statement means what it means - that there was no agreement. As I mentioned in the first email, the only thing there was agreement on, is on the necessity to involve the wider membership and hold another call. Hopefully we'll move past that and get agreement on the substance soon, but that was not the goal of the call; rather we just wanted to know (or clarify, or confirm) where we all stood and how we could move this forward in a unified way across the leadership. <br><br>Have a nice day,<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:31 AM Raymond Mamattah <<a onclick="return checkLinkHref(this.href);" target="_blank" href="mailto:mamattah.raymond@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">mamattah.raymond@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello Raphael and all,</div><div><br></div>The minutes of the meeting sounds ok to me, however, the only part that is a bit confusing is the statement that says:<div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><span id="m_6028769072194331005gmail-m_-965457162575754672gmail-m_-4345510721140341756m_5802751105690174338gmail-docs-internal-guid-8b718ba1-7fff-91b5-7678-983e35a0669f"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><i>There was no agreement that shutting down the two constituencies has to be the end goal, but there was also no agreement that it should be excluded as a potential solution outright either</i>. </span></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div>If the above statement stands correct, then what exactly was agreed on? It will also interest us to know who wrote the minutes. In my personal view, it will be good to get someone who has a neutral view and has not taken any stance on the issue to take the minutes.<br><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Raymond Mamattah</div><div>Accra, Ghana.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:32 PM Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix <<a onclick="return checkLinkHref(this.href);" target="_blank" href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>Please find below the minutes from the NCSG-wide leadership call held on August 5th. </div><div><br></div><div><a onclick="return checkLinkHref(this.href);" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fb72QJnzFDrcPAS-FKONARxPjVwK70MZ5fK7VHOS3ng/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fb72QJnzFDrcPAS-FKONARxPjVwK70MZ5fK7VHOS3ng/edit?usp=sharing</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>This call was meant as an initial step only. More specifically, the purpose was for the members of the three ECs of the NCSG (NCSG itself, NCUC and NPOC) to coordinate themselves on the next steps regarding the ongoing discussions on the "merger" (or strategic review, as discussed during the call).</div><div><br></div><div>As you will see, the only decision taken has been to <u>open the next call to all NCSG members who are interested in investing time and effort into the review project.</u> The whole leadership was in agreement on the importance to involve the broader membership in that initiative, given the traction it has gathered on the list.</div><div><br></div><div>Moreover, we used the opportunity of having the EC leadership gathered in a single zoom room to discuss a few other matters. </div><div><br></div><div>Do note that there is no formal working group or any other structure yet - although this may well happen some time soon. And if/when it does, you can rest assured that there will be a formal and list-wide call along with all other incident formalities.</div><div><br></div><div>While we do not have a date for our next call yet, it will take place next week and the time/zoom room will be posted on the list. </div><div><br></div><div>All calls will also be reported on-list through minutes of the same kind as those above.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, the existence of such calls are not meant to pre-empt on-list discussion. I would like to thank all of those who have taken part so far, and invite everyone to continue to engage in their best multistakeholder spirit ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Have a nice day, </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><i>Bruna Martins dos Santos </i></b></div><div><br></div><div><div>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br></div><div>@boomartins<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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