<div dir="auto">It is also possible that we could break these issues into smaller ones and deal with them in phases. <div dir="auto">For example, it may be quicker to solve the issue of funding by looking at a rework of the travel/funding policies of the stakeholder group and its constituencies to increase focus on policy work than waiting for a merger before looking into the issue.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Cheers,<br>Tomslin<br> </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun., 12 Jul. 2020, 06:11 Arsène Tungali, <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Good point!</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 8:47 PM James Gannon <lists@icann.guru> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I certainly would like to support work on this going forward, with the caveat that I would like to see any work on this being focused strongly around reducing the amount of administrative
positions we have to a minimum and instating additional support roles dedicated to actual real policy work on the ground. We are far too heavy on regional and administrative roles that are unrelated to our policy work, whereas refactoring that to diverse policy
roles with clear roles and responsibilities and accountabilities to deliver on policy work, be that policy and position papers, active work on PDPs or other similar outcomes related measurements. If we don’t frame any such structural change around that goal
set then we will be doomed to just repeat the situation we are already in, just under one banner.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Reply to: </b>Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 11 July 2020 at 19:19<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: A Proposal to Merge NCSG, NCUC and NPOC for More Efficiency in ICANN’s DNS Work<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>First, I would like to thank Sam for his thoughtful and thorough post which started this discussion. It is long overdue, in my opinion.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>As Sam indicated, our history show that we have had quite a bit of friction and fruitless arguing over the arrival of NPOC and the readjustment of the former NCUC and the new NCSG to include the new constituency. NPOC itself has gone through a fair bit
of soul searching as it developed its new Charter. I am personally very happy that the current management team, Joan Kerr, Bruna Santos, and I have got along very amicably and cooperated, particularly during this last difficult year. I think it has helped
engender the trust and thoughtful discussion that might actually allow us to talk about the pros and cons of this "merger".<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>As Raymond pointed out, however, NCSG as the overall body which elects 6 councillors to the GNSO, already exists. Any councillor represents NCSG, not his or her chosen constituency.
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<p>I had intended to advance on this discussion during my tenure as NCSG Chair, but circumstances have not favored the introduction of such discussions. However, we are now facing a dramatic re-imagining of how ICANN is going to do business, and potential
travel restrictions for a long time to come. It is a great time to talk about different ways of being a successful stakeholder group, and perhaps developing different roles for some of our elected leaders, rather than simply repeating administrative functions.
This is particularly important, given the scarcity of volunteers actively working on policy issues. I will put together a google document with pros and cons, as Dorothy suggested, and post it to the list.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks to Raph for digging out more correct numbers, I will check the membership lists and get back to you all with the precise numbers.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2020-07-11 10:49 a.m., Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just for the record, all in all ncsg is in the 800 members range, including orgs and individual members. But I see that we need to update certain public-facing pages in that regard. It's been noted and will be acted upon as far as NCSG
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm also looking forward to a plan regarding Sam's proposal, that aligns identified issues and their proposed solution. Like many others I'm not against a merger, on the contrary rather. But it would necessarily be a long process, and it
must be one carried forward by a group of dedicated members and not by the ECs as ECs (and maybe not even by EC members as individuals, depending on charter language). Not only is this a charter requirement like James pointed out, but it is also a long-term
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<p class="MsoNormal">And it must be a process that will aim to solve concrete issues we are facing. For example: if we have a problem with allocation of travel support, a big merger in itself will not solve this, but changes to the travel support policy of
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have a nice weekend, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 10:02 James Gannon <a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">In the last election we had 240 voters. Of which I would estimate 15% are actually involved in any work.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I could be way off on membership. Better indicators are active participation and voter turnout.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">The ICANNWiki pages for NCSG, NCUC are one or two years out of date. NCSC claims 500 members
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Not counting those who are just NCSG members we are in the 600 claimed member range.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Without diminishing the heroic work of NCSG/NCUC/NPOC volunteers, that still leaves us a<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: A Proposal to Merge NCSG, NCUC and NPOC for More Efficiency in ICANN’s DNS Work<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I was also surprised that the total membership is only around 300?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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