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<p>First, I would like to thank Sam for his thoughtful and thorough
post which started this discussion. It is long overdue, in my
opinion.</p>
<p>As Sam indicated, our history show that we have had quite a bit
of friction and fruitless arguing over the arrival of NPOC and the
readjustment of the former NCUC and the new NCSG to include the
new constituency. NPOC itself has gone through a fair bit of soul
searching as it developed its new Charter. I am personally very
happy that the current management team, Joan Kerr, Bruna Santos,
and I have got along very amicably and cooperated, particularly
during this last difficult year. I think it has helped engender
the trust and thoughtful discussion that might actually allow us
to talk about the pros and cons of this "merger".</p>
<p>As Raymond pointed out, however, NCSG as the overall body which
elects 6 councillors to the GNSO, already exists. Any councillor
represents NCSG, not his or her chosen constituency. <br>
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<p>I had intended to advance on this discussion during my tenure as
NCSG Chair, but circumstances have not favored the introduction
of such discussions. However, we are now facing a dramatic
re-imagining of how ICANN is going to do business, and potential
travel restrictions for a long time to come. It is a great time
to talk about different ways of being a successful stakeholder
group, and perhaps developing different roles for some of our
elected leaders, rather than simply repeating administrative
functions. This is particularly important, given the scarcity of
volunteers actively working on policy issues. I will put together
a google document with pros and cons, as Dorothy suggested, and
post it to the list.<br>
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<p>Thanks to Raph for digging out more correct numbers, I will check
the membership lists and get back to you all with the precise
numbers.</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin</p>
<p>NCSG Chair<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-07-11 10:49 a.m., Raphael
Beauregard-Lacroix wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi all,
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<div dir="auto">Just for the record, all in all ncsg is in the
800 members range, including orgs and individual members. But
I see that we need to update certain public-facing pages in
that regard. It's been noted and will be acted upon as far as
NCSG is concerned. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I'm also looking forward to a plan regarding
Sam's proposal, that aligns identified issues and their
proposed solution. Like many others I'm not against a merger,
on the contrary rather. But it would necessarily be a long
process, and it must be one carried forward by a group of
dedicated members and not by the ECs as ECs (and maybe not
even by EC members as individuals, depending on charter
language). Not only is this a charter requirement like James
pointed out, but it is also a long-term legitimacy
requirement. </div>
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<div dir="auto">And it must be a process that will aim to solve
concrete issues we are facing. For example: if we have a
problem with allocation of travel support, a big merger in
itself will not solve this, but changes to the travel support
policy of SG and Cs will. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Have a nice weekend, </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 10:02
James Gannon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@icann.guru"><lists@icann.guru></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">In the last election we had 240 voters. Of
which I would estimate 15% are actually involved in any
work.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 11 Jul 2020, at 14:53, Sam
Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>>
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<div><font size="2">Dorothy, et. al.,<br>
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<div><font size="2">I could be way off on
membership. Better indicators are active
participation and voter turnout. <br>
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<div><font size="2">The ICANNWiki pages for NCSG,
NCUC are one or two years out of date. NCSC
claims 500 members <br>
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<div><font size="2">The NPOC ICANNWiki page is up to
data and links to a list of 100 members. <br>
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<div><font size="2">Not counting those who are just
NCSG members we are in the 600 claimed member
range.</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Without diminishing the heroic
work of NCSG/NCUC/NPOC volunteers, that still
leaves us a</font></div>
<div><font size="2">weak leg on the ICANN
multistakeholder stool. <br>
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Sam <br>
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<b>Sent</b>: Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 9:29 AM<br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: A Proposal to Merge NCSG, NCUC
and NPOC for More Efficiency in ICANN’s DNS Work<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I agree. If someone
could help us with a table of pros and cons</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I was also surprised
that the total membership is only around 300?</div>
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