<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I respect your view post James. Well Said. <div class="">But I would point out that in the 9yrs, it has just come out. And I guess the Newbies are not sensitive to the work put in over the years and thus my outcry to fix it. Just because we haven’t done it in the last many years, we should do it now and let it be ? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">+1 to you and that is why I am certainly keeping the “Vetrans” into context. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">-VA<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 9:16 PM, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@ICANN.GURU" class="">lists@ICANN.GURU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Well to be honest what has came out in the last few days is that the members who are unwilling to put in the hours and effort to further NCSG policy seemingly find time to raise issues with a 9 year old charter that governs all of our membership.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">For those of us putting in hours and hours of work and expending considerable personal expense to do actual work for the NCSG, at least in my own case, its very frustrating to see people come out at this point and make criticism of those of us actually working for the SG and for the furtherance of NCSGs values in ICANN policy development.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Maybe if more people actually put in the time and effort to work on ICANN policy instead of having NCSG listed in their bios on LinkedIn we would not be having this conversation as we would have a deeper bench of policymakers and influencers to fill our officer and policy roles.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">---</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">James Gannon</span></b><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">"Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO" <<a href="mailto:va@bladebrains.com" class="">va@bladebrains.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 2 June 2020 at 16:41<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" class="">lists@icann.guru</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: NCSG Election Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for writing in James. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am not asking for an Expense Statement. Not to trivialize this - I am asking for a Written report of Who Did what ? If there are member from the group travelled - they represented the Group Right ? So the Group should have a Call on it - A Report should be published of the take aways, action items - <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Secondly - Every year there are “Vacancies filled” - What are they doing ? What is their report - What did they do ? How did the group further its Agenda ? Voice ? Et. etc. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I hope you get what I am saying. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As far as bringing in Amendments - Why should I be the one - If the group is interested to do it - Lets constitute a Task force - Let it be a Unanimous effort - We will do it like a PDP - and Bring about a proposal. And If the group want me to Spend time on it - Efforts - I will be happy to chair that - It could be a Sub Group - Like other SGs everywhere !! Everyone should be part of the process - Isn’t that one of the contentions emerging the past few days ??<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">cheers<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-VA<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:33 PM, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lists@icann.guru</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Two points:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">All covered travelers are noted here:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Travel+Report" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Travel+Report</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">No other expenses are covered by ICANN for any officers or councilmembers, we fund all of the rest ourselves, often at great expense.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">And any member can start the charter amendment process, I look forward to seeing the amendment proposal from you in the coming weeks.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">---</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">James Gannon</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>> on behalf of "Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO" <<a href="mailto:va@BLADEBRAINS.COM" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">va@BLADEBRAINS.COM</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply to:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst & Group CEO" <<a href="mailto:va@BLADEBRAINS.COM" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">va@BLADEBRAINS.COM</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 2 June 2020 at 15:43<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: NCSG Election Clarifications</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Who Said What : </b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To continue on this, It clearly means “We don’t care for Democracy” = In technical Words - Whoever pointed out that the role is Not Elected but Selected / Nominated - Elevated - is good.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Take Example from the US Presidential forms. The Next in line is accordance to the Role they plat in the Manage of the Country - So does anywhere else. In all the forums - Either small or Big. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">To justify all the money extended, reports submitted etc. There is No Archive of A Report being Submitted by ANY EC or Former Chair or Councilor as to work delivered over the last few years. In fact, it should be right to say from the inception. We don’t see a time line or a collection of documents, works done - Yes there are “LIST ARCHIVES” but what is to be drawn on that ? Whenever, a office bearer debits office, a report should be submitted, a Traveller travels on Forum Expense either in part or Full, there should be a sharing of knowledge, Because in the GNSO community login - Confluence, there isn’t anything or there isn’t Much. What does that mean ? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">The Constitution : </b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There are over 300 members (and Several More) Only 4 People is to be constituted ? And only 4-6-8 people decide how the functioning will be is it ? Thats governance ? WoW. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Bylaws cannot be constant - they have to evolve. For anything the group does, there should be a consensus building. Not a DikTat. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Adaptation & Purpose : </b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This discussion has become who says what - Who is right and who is wrong - who is supported by whom - but no body want to talk from a perspective of the community. Why ? What the rush for the Positions and to maintain the Positions. - Why can there be rotation ? If we have grown this big in Some - why cant there be rotation of teams - Initially when the Bylaws were made - there were not many number of people. Now there are. The Charter’s need / requirement and adoptions needs have evolved and changed and thus it should be adapted too. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-VA<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Twitter : @TheVaibhavAg<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Facebook : @Vaibhav.tiger<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Linkedin :<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/vaibhavbb" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">linkedin.com/in/vaibhavbb</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">—————————————————————<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">The ballot does not say none of the above any more, it says abstain.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Stephanie</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">On 2020-06-02 10:02 a.m., Mueller, Milton L wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Liz, I understand your disappointment, but factually you are quite wrong.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">To say that Stephanie is Robin’s “favored candidate” – or the favorite of anyone on the NCSG EC – is almost laughably incorrect. Let me assure you, Robin is just trying to make the election conform to the rules, she is not promoting favorites.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I agree with James that all this complaining is a bit late in the day. If people want to get into the election then they need to get into it, and not be coy and worry about whether someone else is running. The underlying problem here is not just the rigidity of the charter, but also the lack of alternative candidates.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I do have a constructive suggestion to make. If people are concerned about this weird situation produced by the gender diversity rule, then one option is to vote “none of the above” for the candidate you object to. Let’s suppose that a candidate gets 50% or more of these “votes of no confidence.” In such a case, the candidate would have a strong incentive to re-evaluate the situation and perhaps drop out and let the EC appoint another person. Of course that appointment would have to conform to the rules, but the “none of the above” vote would allow us to avoid an “automatic” election of anyone.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>NCSG-Discuss<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class=""><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Liz Orembo<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:18 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: NCSG Election Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hi Amir,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I'm sorry it looks like im responding to your email. My email is in response to the whole thread and esp on Robin's clarification. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:13 PM Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Thanks, Grace. I appreciate the clarification.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Thanks again.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Amr</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Grace Githaiga <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</span></a>> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Not at all Amr. And I was not refering to you. I actually appreciate your interpretation. I just happened to respond on your response. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I have read the different emails from different people and for me, this is a good debate because we are now forced to scrutinize the bylaws. I hope this sets the record straight Amr. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Rgds</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Grace</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350Signature" class=""><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Grace Githaiga</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Twitter: @ggithaiga</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Skype: gracegithaiga</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Linkedin: </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(85, 85, 85);" class="">.</span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(75, 165, 36);" class="">.</span></i><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 111, 201);" class="">.the most important office in a democracy is the citizen. So, you see, that’s what our democracy demands. It needs you!----Barrack Obama.</span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="3" width="662" align="center" style="width: 496.85pt;" class=""></span></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b> Amr Elsadr <<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</span></a></span>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> 02 June 2020 2:03 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Grace Githaiga <<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</span></a></span>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b> <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a></span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a></span>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Election Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Grace,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Apologies if that is the impression I gave. I assure you, that was not my intent. I’m not trying to justify anything, really. Only trying to explain my understanding of the Bylaws as I have read them. When I do attempt to interpret them, and share that interpretation with the NCSG membership, I do my best to provide references, so that our members may read the relevant sections for themselves.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">I’m not, of course, infallible. I may make a mistake, misread something, misinterpret its intent or even overlook another relevant part of the Bylaws, so pointing to references also helps others fill in gaps I may have unintentionally left.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">I hope this helps.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Amr</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Grace Githaiga <</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Interesting debate! These clarifications are good as they help in scrutinizing and understanding of the bylaws. We are seeing different interpretations mostly trying to justify positions that the different people are taking. It would be important not to bend them just to suit what we want. </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350x_Signature" class=""><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350x_divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Grace Githaiga</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Twitter: @ggithaiga</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Skype: gracegithaiga</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Linkedin: </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(85, 85, 85);" class="">.</span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(75, 165, 36);" class="">.</span></i><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 111, 201);" class="">.the most important office in a democracy is the citizen. So, you see, that’s what our democracy demands. It needs you!----Barrack Obama.</span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="3" width="662" align="center" style="width: 496.85pt;" class=""></span></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350x_divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b> NCSG-Discuss <<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a></span>> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:aelsadr@ICANNPOLICY.NINJA" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">aelsadr@ICANNPOLICY.NINJA</span></a></span>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> 02 June 2020 1:26 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a></span> <<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a></span>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Election Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 6:29 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">> wrote:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">[SNIP]</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Second, the one-year term does not count in term limit in this case,<br class="">as per ICANN Bylaws 11.3(b). That is, whoever gets it may be elected<br class="">twice after that for a total of five years, whereas those who get two<br class="">years now can only do only one additional term for a total of four<br class="">years (absent special circumstances we discussed with Amr earlier,<br class="">which could allow an extra term in either case).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">I don’t believe this is correct. Only those selected/appointed to fill a vacancy fit the scenario you’re describing here, Tapani. So, for example, Juan was appointed to fill a vacancy on Council. The time he served does not count toward his two consecutive terms limit, and he may run for a full Council term now (or a one-year term depending on the number of votes he gets), and if elected, may run for a second full term in two years time.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Whoever gets elected to fill the leftover 1-year period has this 1-year term count towards the two consecutive term limit, so will have a maximum possibility of three consecutive years on Council, instead of four (not five instead of four).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">The relevant language in the Bylaws says:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">"Except in a "special circumstance," such as, but not limited to, meeting geographic or other diversity requirements defined in the Stakeholder Group charters, where no alternative representative is available to serve, no Council member may be selected to serve more than two consecutive terms, in such a special circumstance a Council member may serve one additional term. <b class=""><u class="">For these purposes, a person selected to fill a vacancy in a term shall not be deemed to have served that term.</u></b> A former Council member who has served two consecutive terms must remain out of office for one full term prior to serving any subsequent term as Council member. A "special circumstance" is defined in the </span></i><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">GNSO</span></i><i class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> Operating Procedures."</span></i><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> [emphasis added]</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">An elected Councilor is not filling a vacant seat. The seat is his or hers once elected. Vacant seats are filled by selection/appointment, not by election. A “vacancy” on the GNSO Council is defined in Article 11.3(c) of the ICANN Bylaws.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, sans-serif;" class="">Amr</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Best regards.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Liz.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class="">P</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">GP ID:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">0x1F3488BF</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>