<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><b class="">Who Said What : </b><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To continue on this, It clearly means “We don’t care for Democracy” = In technical Words - Whoever pointed out that the role is Not Elected but Selected / Nominated - Elevated - is good.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Take Example from the US Presidential forms. The Next in line is accordance to the Role they plat in the Manage of the Country - So does anywhere else. In all the forums - Either small or Big. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To justify all the money extended, reports submitted etc. There is No Archive of A Report being Submitted by ANY EC or Former Chair or Councilor as to work delivered over the last few years. In fact, it should be right to say from the inception. We don’t see a time line or a collection of documents, works done - Yes there are “LIST ARCHIVES” but what is to be drawn on that ? Whenever, a office bearer debits office, a report should be submitted, a Traveller travels on Forum Expense either in part or Full, there should be a sharing of knowledge, Because in the GNSO community login - Confluence, there isn’t anything or there isn’t Much. What does that mean ? <br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div><b class="">The Constitution : </b></div><div><br class=""></div><div>There are over 300 members (and Several More) Only 4 People is to be constituted ? And only 4-6-8 people decide how the functioning will be is it ? Thats governance ? WoW. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>The Bylaws cannot be constant - they have to evolve. For anything the group does, there should be a consensus building. Not a DikTat. </div><div><br class=""></div><div><b class="">Adaptation & Purpose : </b></div><div><br class=""></div><div>This discussion has become who says what - Who is right and who is wrong - who is supported by whom - but no body want to talk from a perspective of the community. Why ? What the rush for the Positions and to maintain the Positions. - Why can there be rotation ? If we have grown this big in Some - why cant there be rotation of teams - Initially when the Bylaws were made - there were not many number of people. Now there are. The Charter’s need / requirement and adoptions needs have evolved and changed and thus it should be adapted too. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>-VA</div><div>Twitter : @TheVaibhavAg</div><div>Facebook : @Vaibhav.tiger</div><div>Linkedin : <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/vaibhavbb" class="">linkedin.com/in/vaibhavbb</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>—————————————————————</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA" class="">stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">The ballot does not say none of the above any more, it says abstain.</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Stephanie<br class=""></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 2020-06-02 10:02 a.m., Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:BN6PR07MB28652388AFBC824040C4A0E7A18B0@BN6PR07MB2865.namprd07.prod.outlook.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Liz, I understand your disappointment, but factually you are quite wrong.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">To say that Stephanie is Robin’s “favored candidate” – or the favorite of anyone on the NCSG EC – is almost laughably incorrect. Let me assure you, Robin is just trying to make the election conform to the rules, she is not promoting favorites.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I agree with James that all this complaining is a bit late in the day. If people want to get into the election then they need to get into it, and not be coy and worry about whether someone else is running. The underlying problem here is not just the rigidity of the charter, but also the lack of alternative candidates.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I do have a constructive suggestion to make. If people are concerned about this weird situation produced by the gender diversity rule, then one option is to vote “none of the above” for the candidate you object to. Let’s suppose that a candidate gets 50% or more of these “votes of no confidence.” In such a case, the candidate would have a strong incentive to re-evaluate the situation and perhaps drop out and let the EC appoint another person. Of course that appointment would have to conform to the rules, but the “none of the above” vote would allow us to avoid an “automatic” election of anyone.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NCSG-Discuss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Liz Orembo<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:18 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: NCSG Election Clarifications<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hi Amir,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I'm sorry it looks like im responding to your email. My email is in response to the whole thread and esp on Robin's clarification. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:13 PM Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Thanks, Grace. I appreciate the clarification.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Thanks again.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Amr<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Grace Githaiga <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Not at all Amr. And I was not refering to you. I actually appreciate your interpretation. I just happened to respond on your response. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have read the different emails from different people and for me, this is a good debate because we are now forced to scrutinize the bylaws. I hope this sets the record straight Amr. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Rgds<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Grace<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350Signature" class=""><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Grace Githaiga</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Twitter: @ggithaiga<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Skype: gracegithaiga<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Linkedin: </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(85, 85, 85);" class="">.</span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(75, 165, 36);" class="">.</span></i><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 111, 201);" class="">.the most important office in a democracy is the citizen. So, you see, that’s what our democracy demands. It needs you!----Barrack Obama.</span></i></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><hr width="994" size="3" align="center" style="width: 496.85pt;" class=""></span></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> Amr Elsadr <</span><a href="mailto:aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">aelsadr@icannpolicy.ninja</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> 02 June 2020 2:03 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Grace Githaiga <</span><a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><</span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Election Clarifications</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Hi Grace,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Apologies if that is the impression I gave. I assure you, that was not my intent. I’m not trying to justify anything, really. Only trying to explain my understanding of the Bylaws as I have read them. When I do attempt to interpret them, and share that interpretation with the NCSG membership, I do my best to provide references, so that our members may read the relevant sections for themselves.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">I’m not, of course, infallible. I may make a mistake, misread something, misinterpret its intent or even overlook another relevant part of the Bylaws, so pointing to references also helps others fill in gaps I may have unintentionally left.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">I hope this helps.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Amr<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Grace Githaiga <</span><a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Interesting debate! These clarifications are good as they help in scrutinizing and understanding of the bylaws. We are seeing different interpretations mostly trying to justify positions that the different people are taking. It would be important not to bend them just to suit what we want. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350x_Signature" class=""><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350x_divtagdefaultwrapper" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Grace Githaiga</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Twitter: @ggithaiga<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Skype: gracegithaiga<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Linkedin: </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracegithaiga</span></a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(85, 85, 85);" class="">.</span><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(75, 165, 36);" class="">.</span></i><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 111, 201);" class="">.the most important office in a democracy is the citizen. So, you see, that’s what our democracy demands. It needs you!----Barrack Obama.</span></i></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><hr width="994" size="3" align="center" style="width: 496.85pt;" class=""></span></div><div id="gmail-m_144708595942574350x_divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> NCSG-Discuss <</span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">> on behalf of Amr Elsadr <</span><a href="mailto:aelsadr@ICANNPOLICY.NINJA" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">aelsadr@ICANNPOLICY.NINJA</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> 02 June 2020 1:26 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <</span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Election Clarifications</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">On Jun 2, 2020, at 6:29 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <</span><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</span></a><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">[SNIP]<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><br class="">Second, the one-year term does not count in term limit in this case,<br class="">as per ICANN Bylaws 11.3(b). That is, whoever gets it may be elected<br class="">twice after that for a total of five years, whereas those who get two<br class="">years now can only do only one additional term for a total of four<br class="">years (absent special circumstances we discussed with Amr earlier,<br class="">which could allow an extra term in either case).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">I don’t believe this is correct. Only those selected/appointed to fill a vacancy fit the scenario you’re describing here, Tapani. So, for example, Juan was appointed to fill a vacancy on Council. The time he served does not count toward his two consecutive terms limit, and he may run for a full Council term now (or a one-year term depending on the number of votes he gets), and if elected, may run for a second full term in two years time.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Whoever gets elected to fill the leftover 1-year period has this 1-year term count towards the two consecutive term limit, so will have a maximum possibility of three consecutive years on Council, instead of four (not five instead of four).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">The relevant language in the Bylaws says:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">"Except in a "special circumstance," such as, but not limited to, meeting geographic or other diversity requirements defined in the Stakeholder Group charters, where no alternative representative is available to serve, no Council member may be selected to serve more than two consecutive terms, in such a special circumstance a Council member may serve one additional term. <b class=""><u class="">For these purposes, a person selected to fill a vacancy in a term shall not be deemed to have served that term.</u></b> A former Council member who has served two consecutive terms must remain out of office for one full term prior to serving any subsequent term as Council member. A "special circumstance" is defined in the </span></i><i class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">GNSO</span></i><i class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> Operating Procedures."</span></i><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> [emphasis added]</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">An elected Councilor is not filling a vacant seat. The seat is his or hers once elected. Vacant seats are filled by selection/appointment, not by election. A “vacancy” on the GNSO Council is defined in Article 11.3(c) of the ICANN Bylaws.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: TrebuchetMS, serif;" class="">Amr<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Best regards.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Liz.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><br class="">P</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">GP ID:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">0x1F3488BF</span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>