<html><head></head><body>Hi Tapani,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Some comments in-line below:<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 31, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""/>Hi Tatiana,<br class=""/><br class=""/>Actually, if we want to pick nits, the charter does not have a process<br class=""/>for this specific case.<br class=""/><br class=""/>It only specifies that the EC should appoint in case a councillor<br class=""/>"is unable to finish his or her term" - the case where there's<br class=""/>no councillor to even begin the term is not mentioned.<br class=""/></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>That’s true.</div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Now I won't argue that the EC should not do so anyway, there's really<br class=""/>no alternative if enough candidates aren't available during the<br class=""/>election, but nonetheless it would also be at least slightly bending<br class=""/>the rules.<br class=""/><br class=""/></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>That’s NOT true. There is an alternative, but you may just not be aware of it. I know you like to read up on procedural nuances and details. Why not take a look at what the ICANN Bylaws and GNSO Operating Procedures provide as an alternative under what they refer to as a <b class=""><i class=""><u class="">“Special Circumstance”</u></i></b>? Specifically, <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article11" class="">Article 11.3(b), paragraph 2 of the ICANN Bylaws</a>, and section 2.1.2 of the <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/op-procedures-24oct19-en.pdf" class="">GNSO Operating Procedures</a>. These at least provide an alternative course of action, which had it been selected, could have led to a resolution of this situation without creating the constitutional and procedural mess we unnecessarily find ourselves in now.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>As I said on Friday’s “meet the candidates” call, our elected representatives need to be fully versed in the bylaws and operating procedures that govern the GNSO.</div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">On the other hand the charter does explicitly make the EC responsible<br class=""/>of the election schedule, so while I do dislike changing things like<br class=""/>that in the middle of the process, it is not against the charter text.<br class=""/></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>The way I see it, the EC kinda worked outside of the election schedule it itself developed and announced. This resulted in confusion, and a misinformed notion that there was no alternative path out of this situation, when there really was.</div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">So while neither option is really pretty, I don't see any serious<br class=""/>legalistic argument against either, and I'm happy to let the EC decide<br class=""/>which is best.<br class=""/><br class=""/></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>You may still hold this opinion after looking at the sections of the bylaws and the OPs I pointed to above, but I’d be very interested in hearing wether you do actually still believe this statement is true, or wether you’ve changed your mind. I generally enjoy procedural discussions/debates, as I know you do too.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Amr</div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">As for NCUC, there you and Bruna are absolutely correct, decision there<br class=""/>belongs to NCUC, not NCSG EC.<br class=""/><br class=""/>Tapani<br class=""/><br class=""/>On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 04:55:19PM +0200, Tatiana Tropina (<a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@GMAIL.COM" class="">tatiana.tropina@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""/>I am also not convinced about the process of this extension. The council<br class=""/>seat can be filled by an appointment made by NCSG EC and the NCSG Charter<br class=""/>has a process for this. The new candidates won’t take part in meet the<br class=""/>candidates call. Why is there a need to bend the rules to fill in the<br class=""/>places if there is a process in place to fill them via EC?<br class=""/>Bruna also rightly pointed out that NCUC is a constituency that could have<br class=""/>been at least consulted.<br class=""/>Warm regards,<br class=""/>Tatiana<br class=""/><br class=""/>On Sun 31. May 2020 at 16:43, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" class="">lists@icann.guru</a>> wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class="">Yeah I’m not sure why we are deviating from the Charter here?<br class=""/><br class=""/>Sent from my iPhone<br class=""/><br class=""/>On 31 May 2020, at 15:34, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" class="">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>><br class=""/>wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/><br class=""/><br class=""/>I am sorry, everyone. I understand that NCUC does not have any candidates<br class=""/>for EC NA at the moment, but I really wish you had respected the<br class=""/>constituency independence in setting its own electoral deadlines instead of<br class=""/>announcing it on the list without the NCUC EC acknowledgement.<br class=""/><br class=""/>I will speak with NCUC EC and get back to you on this.<br class=""/><br class=""/>On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:21 AM Tapani Tarvainen <<br class=""/><a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class="">Yes. There are four councillor positions and only three candidates at<br class=""/>the moment, and NCUC North American representative has no candidate.<br class=""/><br class=""/>See<br class=""/><br class=""/><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Elections-2020" class="">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Elections-2020</a><br class=""/><br class=""/>and<br class=""/><br class=""/>https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomuserconst/Elections+2020<br class=""/><br class=""/>Tapani<br class=""/><br class=""/>On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 05:11:27PM +0300, Raoul Plommer (<br class=""/>plommer@GMAIL.COM) wrote:<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""/>Sorry, as far as I know, the NCUC North American seat and one councillor<br class=""/>seat are still without a candidate. Perhaps someone can correct me if<br class=""/></blockquote>I'm<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class="">wrong?<br class=""/><br class=""/>-Raoul<br class=""/><br class=""/>On Sun, 31 May 2020 at 17:07, Raymond Mamattah <<br class=""/></blockquote>mamattah.raymond@gmail.com><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class="">wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hello Raoul,<br class=""/><br class=""/>What has necessitated this extension? Are there some positions that<br class=""/></blockquote></blockquote>do not<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">have applications? If yes, kindly share that with us.<br class=""/><br class=""/>Regards<br class=""/>Raymond Mamattah<br class=""/>Accra-Ghana<br class=""/><br class=""/>On Sun, May 31, 2020, 1:51 PM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com><br class=""/></blockquote></blockquote>wrote:<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class="">Dear all,<br class=""/><br class=""/>The NCSG EC has decided to extend the nomination period for the NCSG<br class=""/></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>and<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">NCUC elections a little, practically with 17 hours 10 minutes,<br class=""/></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>starting<br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">right now.<br class=""/><br class=""/>-Raoul<br class=""/><br class=""/></blockquote><br class=""/></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""/>--<br class=""/>Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""/><br class=""/></blockquote><br class=""/><br class=""/>--<br class=""/>*Bruna Martins dos Santos *<br class=""/><br class=""/>Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br class=""/>@boomartins<br class=""/><br class=""/><br class=""/></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""/>--<br class=""/>Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""/></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></div></body></html>