<html><head></head><body>Oh, that IS good news. Thanks again, Kathy.<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 16, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@DNRC.TECH" class="">kathy@DNRC.TECH</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Hi Amr, Tx for watching! I thought it was a fascinating
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<div class="">Thanks for organizing this, Kathy. I watched the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEDeQt-gJNQ&feature=youtu.be" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">YouTube recording</a> of the
discussion. Unfortunately, audio wasn’t great throughout much of
the discussion, but the parts that were clear were quite
interesting; particularly those parts presented by Professor
Benjamin Leff on the legal issues concerning the indirect change
of control of the .org Registry.</div>
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<div class="">Professor Leff’s contributions illustrated some
legal dimensions to the sale, which to my knowledge have not
been described publicly in much detail until this panel held its
discussion. For those interested, I’d recommend putting some
time aside to watch it.</div>
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<div class="">I wonder if Benjamin Leff might be persuaded to
write up a blog on his insight on the intersection between the
sale of PIR and US/Pennsylvania law regarding non-profit
organizations? Would be a helpful resource to circulate to
interested parties.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks again, Kathy.</div>
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<div class="moz-forward-container"><font class="" size="+1">I have no love for how we conduct many
of our discussions. We tend to take aim at each
other and not the issues. We often to use our
energies to fight internally when the issues we
are concerned about require external speaking and
writing. We have driven many good people away from
our SG and Constituency, and that is a loss to
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<div class="moz-forward-container"><font class="" size="+1">I share below a discussion I am
organzing on the Sale of .ORG and the conversation
I think we should be having -- a calm and
respectful conversation among people we know and
respect. We can explore the issues -- the sale of
the .ORG nonprofit, protecting .ORG registrants,
addressing concerns of .ORG Community -- without
exploding each other.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-forward-container"><font class="" size="+1">Please join us in person if you are in
the Washington DC area (please register if you
would like to have lunch). Or join us via live
webcast (and the recording will stay up).
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PIJIP,
Internet
Governance
Lab, & WCL
Intellectual
Property Brief
for a
Conversation </span></i></strong><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><strong class=""><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Book
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Controversial
Sale of the
.ORG
Registry: The
Conversation
We Should Be
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February 11,
2020 </span><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Book
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Antiqua",serif;color:#333333" class="">American
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Washington
College of Law</span><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:16.5pt;text-align:center" class="" align="center"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Book
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NT01
Ceremonial
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</span></div><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D;background:white" class="">On
November 13,
2019, the
Internet
Society (ISOC)
announced its
sale of the
Public
Interest
Registry (PIR)
to a private
equity firm
Ethos Capital
for $1.1
billion. The
.ORG registry,
run by PIR,
supports 10
million .ORG
registrants,
including many
of the world’s
largest and
smallest human
rights and
nonprofit
groups. Can a
nonprofit
(ISOC) sell a
nonprofit
(PIR)? Are
top-level
domains still
global public
resources?
What can ISOC
and PIR do to
protect the
online
communication
of millions of
.ORG
registrants?
What
mechanisms
could exist to
address
concerns of
the .ORG
community?
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could
profoundly
affect
Internet
speech for
decades to
come.</span><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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Chat Speakers:</span></u></strong><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><strong class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class="">Andrew
Sullivan</span></strong><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><em class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class="">President
& CEO,
Internet
Society</span></em><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><strong class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class="">Mitch
Stoltz</span></strong><b class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><br class=""/>
</span></b><em class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class="">Senior
Staff
Attorney,
Electronic
Frontier
Foundation</span></em><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><strong class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
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Leff</span></strong><b class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><br class=""/>
</span></b><em class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class="">Professor
of Law,
Charitable and
Non-Profit
Organizations</span></em><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
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Antiqua",serif;color:#3F7E9D" class="">Marc
Rotenberg</span></strong><b class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
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</span></b><em class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
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Electronic
Privacy
Information
Center,</span></em><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
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<em class=""><span style="font-family:"Book
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& Tech
Clinic,
Washington
College of Law
and Former
Director of
Policy, Public
Interest
Registry
(.ORG) </span></em><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3F7E9D" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="text-align:center" class="" align="center"><a name="https___youtu_be_NEDeQt_gJNQ" id="auto_assign_link_num_3" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""></a><a href="http://go2.mailengine1.com/click/fof6-1qvr8o-m0ewbf-99zsah83/" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:https___youtu_be_NEDeQt_gJNQ" class=""><em class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Book
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