<html><head></head><body>Hi,<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:55 PM, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@ICANN.GURU" class="">lists@ICANN.GURU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Members choose their self-declaration so it is up to them</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>This is correct. The rules on declared region are not specific, and pretty much left up to each person engaging with the GNSO to choose.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>The relevant ICANN Bylaws on this are in <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article11" class="">Article 11.3</a> which states that each GNSO Stakeholder Group should observe diversity requirements concerning geography, as well as other criteria, but the Bylaws don’t specify how geographic designations should be determined. The Bylaws say:</div><div><br class=""/></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><i class="">“<span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Stakeholder Groups should, in their charters, ensure their representation on the </span><abbr title="Generic Names Supporting Organization" style="box-sizing: border-box; unicode-bidi: bidi-override; direction: ltr; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); cursor: help; transition: all 0.2s; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">GNSO</abbr><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> Council is as diverse as possible and practicable, including considerations of geography, </span><abbr title="Generic Names Supporting Organization" style="box-sizing: border-box; unicode-bidi: bidi-override; direction: ltr; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); cursor: help; transition: all 0.2s; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">GNSO</abbr></i><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><i class=""> Constituency, sector, ability and gender.”</i> </span></font></span></blockquote></div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Chapter 2, Section 2.1 of the <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/op-procedures-24oct19-en.pdf" class="">GNSO Operating Procedures</a> addresses this issue by referring to the Bylaws, so don’t really add any additional requirements or specificity. The same can be said for the <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Charter" class="">NCSG Charter</a>, although it does add that:</div><div><br class=""/></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><i class="">“<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#172b4d" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(23, 43, 77);" class="">To the maximum extent possible, no more than two (2) NCSG GNSO Council Representatives can be declared resident of the same geographic region as defined by ICANN”</span></font></span></i>,</blockquote></div><div><br class=""/></div><div>…, but still doesn’t specify how geographic designations should be determined.</div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">, which is a good solution as long as we stick to a single source of truth (Which is the SOI)</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>I agree with this, and have personally used the GNSO SOI as the authoritative source of information on anyone’s declared country of residence simply because people engaging with the GNSO fill-in their own SOIs. The GNSO SOI form suggests, but does not require, that the country of origin could be the country in which taxes are paid. But again…, there is no specific rule on using the GNSO SOI as the determining source of information, but I do believe it’s generally been used by GNSO Policy staff to make this determination.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>For practical reasons, it’d be a good idea for all NCSG elected officers to keep their GNSO SOIs accurate and up-to-date.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>I hope this helps.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Amr</div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">---</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">James Gannon</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" class="">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 12:53<br class=""/><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" class="">lists@icann.guru</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>ncsg discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: Council Member replacement<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">@James Gannon</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With this, it probably looks like Africa has no representation by the mere look of the SOIs.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm I missing something? The confusion caused by region which one os domiciled seems to play a more prominent role than by nationality and regional representation?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Caleb Ogundele<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:33 PM James Gannon <<a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" class="">lists@icann.guru</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">For Council elections/selections the relevant source of truth is the GNSO SOI's and Council declarations mentioned here:<br class=""/><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/council" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/council</a><br class=""/><br class=""/>Rafik Dammak (SOI) - AAPAC (AGM 2020)<br class=""/>Elsa Saade (SOI) – NA – (AGM 2020)<br class=""/>Tatiana Tropina (SOI) – EU (AGM 2021)<br class=""/>Martin Silva Valent (SOI) – LAC (AGM 2020)<br class=""/>Farell Folly (SOI) – EU (AGM 2021)<br class=""/>Farzaneh Badii (SOI) – NA (AGM 2021)<br class=""/><br class=""/>---<br class=""/>James Gannon<br class=""/><br class=""/>On 17.12.19, 12:30, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/> Hi James,<br class=""/><br class=""/> My apologies if I made a mistake, but looking at the page Stephanie<br class=""/> pointed to, I see the regions as follows:<br class=""/><br class=""/> Africa: Rafik Dammak and Farell Folly<br class=""/> Asia-Pacific: Elsa Saade<br class=""/> Europe: Tatiana Tropina<br class=""/> Latin America: Martin Pablo Valent<br class=""/><br class=""/> Cf.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg</a><br class=""/><br class=""/> If that's not correct then my analysis obviously needs to be adjusted<br class=""/> accordingly. I am aware that Rafik lives in Japan, but our rules and<br class=""/> precedents give some leeway for people who have ties in multiple<br class=""/> regions to choose which they choose to declare (I oversimplified in<br class=""/> saying residence is the determining factor), and I presumed the above<br class=""/> page to indicate Rafik has chosen to declare Africa according to his<br class=""/> native Tunisia.<br class=""/><br class=""/> Tapani<br class=""/><br class=""/><br class=""/> On Dec 17 12:03, James Gannon (<a href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" class="">lists@icann.guru</a>) wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/> > This doesn't match with the current declared regions of our councilors, I think it would be most appropriate for the EC to weigh in on eligibility concerns.<br class=""/> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > ---<br class=""/> > James Gannon<br class=""/> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > On 17.12.19, 06:29, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:<br class=""/> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > Hi James,<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > Yes, you are eligible, indeed in a slightly favoured position.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > It's residence that counts, not country of origin. If you live and pay<br class=""/> > taxes in the USA or Canada, you are North American for this purpose.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > Otherwise, looking at current council composition and NCSG charter,<br class=""/> > the situation is briefly like this:<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > * An African can only be selected if there are no other viable<br class=""/> > candidates (as there already are two Africans). This is a hard<br class=""/> > rule, "To the maximum extent possible", but as noted it would<br class=""/> > not exclude you if you are North American resident now.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > * Of two otherwise equally competent candidates, a North American<br class=""/> > would be preferred over others and a woman over a man. These are<br class=""/> > softer rules, "Reasonable efforts", so other qualifications could<br class=""/> > be more important.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > Tapani<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:33:37PM -0600, KASWESHA (<a href="mailto:kaswesha@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kaswesha@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > I am currently settled in North America but I am not very sure whether I am<br class=""/> > > eligible. Somebody advise.<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > Regards;<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > James Njoroge Gitau<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 12:34 PM Stephanie Perrin <<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > > As members will have seen, Farzaneh Badii has resigned her council seat,<br class=""/> > > > so it is the responsibility of the NCSG Executive Committee to select a<br class=""/> > > > replacement until the next election takes place in summer 2020. In order<br class=""/> > > > to enable this, we are seeking expressions of interest in the position.<br class=""/> > > > Please send your statement of interest to me, copy Maryam Bakoshi, before<br class=""/> > > > the 28th of December. For your interest, the relevant section of the<br class=""/> > > > Charter concerning these circumstances is paragraph 2, section 3.2 (copied<br class=""/> > > > below). For information about the current composition of the council see<br class=""/> > > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg</a>. We<br class=""/> > > > appear to have representation from everywhere except North America.<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > > Stephanie Perrin<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > > Section 3.2 para 2<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > > In the event that a GNSO Council Representatives is unable to finish his<br class=""/> > > > or her term, the NCSG EC will appoint a temporary GNSO Council<br class=""/> > > > Representative to serve until the next regularly scheduled election as<br class=""/> > > > provided in Section 3.8 of the GOP. At that time, a new GNSO Council<br class=""/> > > > Representative will be elected to serve out the balance of the vacated<br class=""/> > > > term, if any.<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""/> > <br class=""/><br class=""/> --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> Tapani Tarvainen<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""/><br class=""/>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: rgb(51, 204, 255);" class="">Ogundele Olumuyiwa Caleb</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0);" class=""><a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a></span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);" class="">234 - 8077377378</span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);" class="">234 - 07030777969</span></i></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></body></html>