<html><head></head><body>Hi,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">In my experience, geographical diversity isn’t so much of a pressing issue as far as the Council is concerned. This is likely due to the GNSO Council’s rather narrow remit. Unless I’ve forgotten, or I’ve missed it, over the past decade, not once was there an issue on the Council agenda where there was a diversity of opinions or positions attributed to a need to be sensitive to issues unique to a specific region. I’d say that this perspective is more important at the Working Group level, where policy recommendations are developed, not on the Council, where the process to develop those recommendations is managed.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">However, that is just my opinion, and it matters little since there are guidelines to be followed, which NCSG has to abide by. Historically, the NCSG has done far better at observing both geographic and gender diversity in its Council representation, anyway. More often than not, this has been due to the diverse nature of this Stakeholder Group, and not because of restrictions imposed on us by ICANN’s Bylaws or the NCSG Charter.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA" class="">stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">You have put your finger on it Caleb, it is indeed a rather odd system. In theory, you could run 12 folks from different regions of Africa (or Europe, or North America, etc) who were domiciled in the other ICANN regions of the world, and they would all be eligible if they declared according to residence. I am not sure that this is a great way to represent the stakeholders of the different regions of the world, but it is what our charter says we do. And very confusing.</font></font></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">We are looking into updating those pages, and my apologies for adding to the confusion!<br class=""/></font></font></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">Stephanie</font></font><br class=""/></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 2019-12-17 07:55, James Gannon wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:AM7PR09MB3879F579FB2D3BC732CC10A5F0500@AM7PR09MB3879.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com" style="font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Members choose their self-declaration so it is up to them, which is a good solution as long as we stick to a single source of truth (Which is the SOI)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">---</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">James Gannon</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><muyiwacaleb@gmail.com></a><br class=""/><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 12:53<br class=""/><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>James Gannon<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><lists@icann.guru></a><br class=""/><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>ncsg discuss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu></a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: Council Member replacement<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">@James Gannon</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With this, it probably looks like Africa has no representation by the mere look of the SOIs.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm I missing something? The confusion caused by region which one os domiciled seems to play a more prominent role than by nationality and regional representation?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Caleb Ogundele<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:33 PM James Gannon<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><lists@icann.guru></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">For Council elections/selections the relevant source of truth is the GNSO SOI's and Council declarations mentioned here:<br class=""/><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/council" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/council</a><br class=""/><br class=""/>Rafik Dammak (SOI) - AAPAC (AGM 2020)<br class=""/>Elsa Saade (SOI) – NA – (AGM 2020)<br class=""/>Tatiana Tropina (SOI) – EU (AGM 2021)<br class=""/>Martin Silva Valent (SOI) – LAC (AGM 2020)<br class=""/>Farell Folly (SOI) – EU (AGM 2021)<br class=""/>Farzaneh Badii (SOI) – NA (AGM 2021)<br class=""/><br class=""/>---<br class=""/>James Gannon<br class=""/><br class=""/>On 17.12.19, 12:30, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/> Hi James,<br class=""/><br class=""/> My apologies if I made a mistake, but looking at the page Stephanie<br class=""/> pointed to, I see the regions as follows:<br class=""/><br class=""/> Africa: Rafik Dammak and Farell Folly<br class=""/> Asia-Pacific: Elsa Saade<br class=""/> Europe: Tatiana Tropina<br class=""/> Latin America: Martin Pablo Valent<br class=""/><br class=""/> Cf.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg</a><br class=""/><br class=""/> If that's not correct then my analysis obviously needs to be adjusted<br class=""/> accordingly. I am aware that Rafik lives in Japan, but our rules and<br class=""/> precedents give some leeway for people who have ties in multiple<br class=""/> regions to choose which they choose to declare (I oversimplified in<br class=""/> saying residence is the determining factor), and I presumed the above<br class=""/> page to indicate Rafik has chosen to declare Africa according to his<br class=""/> native Tunisia.<br class=""/><br class=""/> Tapani<br class=""/><br class=""/><br class=""/> On Dec 17 12:03, James Gannon (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lists@icann.guru" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">lists@icann.guru</a>) wrote:<br class=""/><br class=""/> > This doesn't match with the current declared regions of our councilors, I think it would be most appropriate for the EC to weigh in on eligibility concerns.<br class=""/> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > ---<br class=""/> > James Gannon<br class=""/> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > On 17.12.19, 06:29, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>on behalf of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:<br class=""/> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > Hi James,<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > Yes, you are eligible, indeed in a slightly favoured position.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > It's residence that counts, not country of origin. If you live and pay<br class=""/> > taxes in the USA or Canada, you are North American for this purpose.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > Otherwise, looking at current council composition and NCSG charter,<br class=""/> > the situation is briefly like this:<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > * An African can only be selected if there are no other viable<br class=""/> > candidates (as there already are two Africans). This is a hard<br class=""/> > rule, "To the maximum extent possible", but as noted it would<br class=""/> > not exclude you if you are North American resident now.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > * Of two otherwise equally competent candidates, a North American<br class=""/> > would be preferred over others and a woman over a man. These are<br class=""/> > softer rules, "Reasonable efforts", so other qualifications could<br class=""/> > be more important.<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > Tapani<br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 01:33:37PM -0600, KASWESHA (<a href="mailto:kaswesha@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kaswesha@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > I am currently settled in North America but I am not very sure whether I am<br class=""/> > > eligible. Somebody advise.<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > Regards;<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > James Njoroge Gitau<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 12:34 PM Stephanie Perrin <<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br class=""/> > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > > > As members will have seen, Farzaneh Badii has resigned her council seat,<br class=""/> > > > so it is the responsibility of the NCSG Executive Committee to select a<br class=""/> > > > replacement until the next election takes place in summer 2020. In order<br class=""/> > > > to enable this, we are seeking expressions of interest in the position.<br class=""/> > > > Please send your statement of interest to me, copy Maryam Bakoshi, before<br class=""/> > > > the 28th of December. For your interest, the relevant section of the<br class=""/> > > > Charter concerning these circumstances is paragraph 2, section 3.2 (copied<br class=""/> > > > below). For information about the current composition of the council see<br class=""/> > > ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg</a>. We<br class=""/> > > > appear to have representation from everywhere except North America.<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > > Stephanie Perrin<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > > Section 3.2 para 2<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > > In the event that a GNSO Council Representatives is unable to finish his<br class=""/> > > > or her term, the NCSG EC will appoint a temporary GNSO Council<br class=""/> > > > Representative to serve until the next regularly scheduled election as<br class=""/> > > > provided in Section 3.8 of the GOP. At that time, a new GNSO Council<br class=""/> > > > Representative will be elected to serve out the balance of the vacated<br class=""/> > > > term, if any.<br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > > ><br class=""/> > <br class=""/> > --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> > Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""/> > <br class=""/><br class=""/> --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""/> Tapani Tarvainen<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""/><br class=""/>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: rgb(51, 204, 255);" class="">Ogundele Olumuyiwa Caleb</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0);" class=""><a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a></span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);" class="">234 - 8077377378</span></i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);" class="">234 - 07030777969</span></i></b></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></div></body></html>