<html><head></head><body>Hi Michael,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Issuing formal statements is not the most important reason for NCSG’s existence. Advancing the interests of non-commercial registrants through gTLD policy development is. This is explained nicely in the <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Charter" class="">NCSG Charter</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">The only letters the NCSG should be interested in issuing are the ones that advance its mission. I don’t believe the letter being discussed on this thread achieves this. I would hope that the NCSG would be a little more ambitious in what it might get for non-commercial registrants out of all this. Not trying is what would be the <i class="">“injustice to our values/principles”</i>.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Amr<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 4, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Michael J. Oghia <<a href="mailto:mike.oghia@GMAIL.COM" class="">mike.oghia@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">Agreed Ayden. As the non-commercial constituency, I think it would be an injustice to our values/principles and our entire raison d'etre if we didn't issue at least some kind of formal statement about this. I don't think doing so would contradict the more nuanced technical and political maneuvering that Milton and others suggest in terms of possible recourse. <div class=""><br clear="all" class=""/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class="">Best,<br class=""/>-Michael</font><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""/></div></div></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""/></div></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=""><div class="">I think Lizzy and Milton among others have drawn lot of attention to non effect of this letter or any other one.<br class=""/></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hi,<br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I agree that sending this letter would be unlikely to have an effect. I just don't think that's a reason to remain silent and not send one. Shouldn't we at least try?<br class=""/></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best wishes, Ayden <br class=""/></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""/></div></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br class=""/></div><div class=""> On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 01:31, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">remmyn@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><div class=""> <br class=""/></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Hi all<br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">I think Lizzy and Milton among others have drawn lot of attention to non effect of this letter or any other one.<br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">I will like to suggest to those of us who have hanged around .org TLD to start thinking of plan B including getting alternate domain and redirect the current one and if hosted by PIR find alternative too depending on the agreement abnitio.<br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">Regards<br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">Remmy<br class=""/></div></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:33 PM Liz Orembo <<a href="mailto:lizorembo@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">lizorembo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">ICANN has no authority to stop the sale of PIR to a private entity. But this sale is unethical from multiple dimensions and among other things will have a negative impact on the future of Multistakeholderism in the IG ecosystem.<br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">I bet no one saw this coming, and mixed with ISOC being too familiar at the time of auctioning contributed to this legal loophole. <br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">As NCSG I don't think our efforts to influence ICANN broad to halt this sale will yield anything. But surely the board is free to issue an advise against the sale. The silence makes it seem like everything is okay or at least it is supporting this madness.<br class=""/></div></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 21:19 Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class=""><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">I’ve reviewed this letter and I think it takes the wrong approach and should be scrapped. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">It is basically asking ICANN to just stop the sale, which it has no real authority to do, and does not offer a viable set of protections for .org registrants. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">It’s about expressing anger and not about constructive response.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">Dr. Milton L Mueller<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">School of Public Policy <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">Georgia Institute of Technology<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><img style="width: 2.1354in; height: 0.4583in;" alt="IGP_logo_gold block_email sig" width="205" height="44" class=""/><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class="">From:</span></span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""> NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>> <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Ayden Férdeline<br class=""/> <b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:51 AM<br class=""/> <b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""/> <b class="">Subject:</b> [proposed letter] NCSG Concerns About the Sale of the Public Interest Registry to Ethos Capital<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></p><p class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""/></p><div class=""><p class="">Dear all,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="">I have drafted a letter outlining some concerns about the proposed sale of PIR to Ethos Capital. <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GNSxNtZ7k-TtvQkpVXhlSABxi0JYVzDNHU7zZCQtiPU/edit?usp=sharing" title="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GNSxNtZ7k-TtvQkpVXhlSABxi0JYVzDNHU7zZCQtiPU/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class=""> It is in a Google Doc here.</a> In a nutshell, I am calling for ICANN to exercise its right in article 7.5 of the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG Registry Agreements to withhold its approval for ISOC to assign its rights and obligations to Ethos Capital. I hope that the
NCSG might consider sending it. Feel free to make/propose edits directly into the document. If the NCSG does not feel comfortable sending it, perhaps interested individuals could sign on instead and we can send it off in our individual capacities? Thanks.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="">Best wishes,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="">Ayden Férdeline<u class=""></u><u class=""></u><br class=""/></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""/></div></blockquote></div>
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