<div dir="ltr">Hi both<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the correction - I should not have written pdp but more generally any community involvement with any form of ICANN rulemaking activity, to encompass both CCWG ACC, PDPs, and any other rulemaking initiative or activity.</div><div><br></div><div>But it seems like it is a first, then. My belief is that it has to do with the "sensitivity" of the topic, given that IRP panels undertake a form of judicial review (within the limits of "ICANN law") As any trial lawyer would say, if you control the procedure, you control the outcome...</div><div><br></div><div>There might not be a clear legal ground, but there might be nothing against it. In the weeds of the bylaws, one can find "legal grounds" for a lot of things...</div><div><br></div><div>Found this thing from WS1 final report:</div><div><br></div><div><em style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif">"The CCWG-Accountability proposes that the revised IRP provisions be adopted as Fundamental Bylaws. Implementation of these enhancements will necessarily require additional detailed work. Detailed rules for the implementation of the IRP (such as rules of procedure) are to be created by the <abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" class="m_7425559143286251948gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:inherit;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:initial">ICANN</abbr> community through a CCWG (assisted by counsel, appropriate experts, and the Standing Panel when confirmed), and approved by the Board, such approval not to be unreasonably withheld."</em> <br></div><div><br></div><div>So the outcome of this has to be approved by 3/4 of the Board and the EC (bylaws 25.2.b)</div><div><br></div><div>Now whats "a CCWG"? Not a defined term as far as I can see, and there has only been one, the CCWG ACC, whose members were appointed by SO/ACs. Both a bottom up process (through the whole chartering ordeal; see also "CCWG Policy Recommendation in the bylaws) as well as top down (since it was NTIA who "called" for it in the first place) Nowhere in the original CCWG ACC charter does it say that the Board had anything to say in the membership, though. </div><div><br></div><div>Looking back at the latter from the BAMC: </div><div><br></div><div><i>The EOIs of the candidates that meet the qualifications will be provided to the BAMC for
evaluation and identification of new members.</i></div><div><br></div><div>A careful choice of words. The Board is not selecting or vetting anyone ("vetting" is used only in relation to what SO/ACs may decide to do prior to the BAMC) but "evaluating" and "identifying". Purely administrative work perhaps? ;) </div><div><br></div><div>Besides asking the SO/ACs to deal with the fact that the IRP IOT had run out of members, I don't see any other role for the BAMC and the Board in general. But that might not be a shared opinion by the interested parties. It's worth keeping in mind the recent discussion on how the work of the community often chases its own tail and ends up going nowhere. That might be the first glimpse of an "improved" MSH model... </div><div><br></div><div>In any case I would be curious to know where they take their authority to do what they are doing from. </div><div><br></div><div>A nice day to all,</div><div><br></div><div>Raphael</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 4:54 PM Tatiana Tropina <<a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com" target="_blank">tatiana.tropina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>a very interesting thread. I agree that we shall not confuse PDP with accountability processes and I am also not aware of previous instances of vetting. However, in general scheme of things, it does remind me of what happened in 2015, when CCWG-Accountability came up with the Sole Member Model proposal, which was meant to keep ICANN (and in particular, the Board) accountable, and the Board simply blocked that proposal -- the very Board that was supposed to be kept accountable on the basis of it. </div><div>As to the letter, I would be curious to ask what are the legal grounds this vetting process is happening. What in the bylaws or other documents warrants it? The procedures are governed by Section 4.3. of the Bylaws. The Bylaws say: "This Section 4.3 shall be construed, implemented, and administered in a manner consistent with these Purposes of the IRP". So I would be keen not only to remind about the purpose of the IRP IOT, but also see what kind of legal grounds the Board sees for such a vetting process that is in line with the quote from the section 4.3. </div><div>I might be missing something here, so feel free to correct me.</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Tanya </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 22:37, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi Raphaël,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To avoid confusion, for GNSO PDP groups, board has no say on the composition nor doing any vetting at the formation. GNSO PDP working groups are usually open membership , except for current EPDP team which has limited membership as outlined in the charter and decided by GNSO council and with representatives appointed by the listed groups in the charter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The IRP IOT is an implementation team for CCWG and so not related to PDP. This board vetting seems a first occurence I think as I personally don' t recall other cases. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 05:11 Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <<a href="mailto:rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com" target="_blank">rbeauregardlacroix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all<div><br></div><div>Starting this as a separate thread as I think it is an important discussion to have.</div><div><br></div><div>As a relative newcomer, I'm mostly interested in knowing how often has the Board undertaken such a vetting process for participation in any form of PDP (taken broadly).</div><div><br></div><div>That an SO/AC chooses its own people is one thing, but here the Board has, in effect, the last say.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">farzaneh badii</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 3:59 PM<br>Subject: Re: [council] Call for volunteers IRP-IOT and proposed Council endorsement process<br>To: <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>><br></div><br><br><div><div dir="auto">Thanks Rafik</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have to say I am stunned by the board decision to be involved in vetting the applicants for IOT membership. This is the group that is going to come up with procedures to hold the board accountable. Board decided to have a say in the selection? This is astonishing. I don't know how the board doesn't see what is wrong with such involvement. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If NCSG agrees we need to send a formal letter to the board and remind them what IOT is for! </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 3:54 PM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For those interested to volunteer to IRP-IOT please review carefully the call here <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_correspondence_sanchez-2Dto-2Dsiddiqui-2Det-2Dal-2D26jun19-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=nB8wjB51BCGkGoYf3d1QMu8BvYola3KUSkUARFf64_Q&s=O4k5PeksbH8PKBf9gPIeTNc6uFW4qxu6BXOVz-IIlyM&e=" style="font-family:-webkit-standard" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/sanchez-to-siddiqui-et-al-26jun19-en.pdf</span> [icann.org]</a> and if you would like to get GNSO council support read the details below.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik </div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br><br></div>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Dear Council Members, SG/C Chairs,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">As you may be aware, the ICANN Board Accountability Mechanisms Committee (BAMC) recently launched a call for volunteers to recompose the Independent Review Process (IRP)
Implementation Oversight Team (IOT) (see </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_correspondence_sanchez-2Dto-2Dsiddiqui-2Det-2Dal-2D26jun19-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=nB8wjB51BCGkGoYf3d1QMu8BvYola3KUSkUARFf64_Q&s=O4k5PeksbH8PKBf9gPIeTNc6uFW4qxu6BXOVz-IIlyM&e=" style="font-family:-webkit-standard" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/sanchez-to-siddiqui-et-al-26jun19-en.pdf</span> [icann.org]</a>) <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">. The letter also notes that ‘if any SO/AC wishes to vet candidates through its own candidate selection process, the BAMC welcomes that work, diligence, and indication of support when passing
the candidate further into the process’.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_7425559143286251948gmail-m_-7093507056507232101gmail-m_-8024699797496582531m_3414406177686699665m_4061341491102626708m_-2563089124900445682m_-2381239607384978046WordSection1">
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">As during recent discussions, Council members as well as GNSO community members have highlighted the importance of this process and the need for the GNSO to contribute candidates
with expertise to this process, Council leadership would like to propose the following steps:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Any candidates interested in GNSO Council endorsement should send their Expressions of Interest describing how his or her experience aligns with the skills identified, as well as a commitment to the estimated time demands to
<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> by Friday 12 July 2019.<span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
Council leadership will evaluate the applications against the skills and experience outlined in the call for volunteers (see also below).<span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
Council leadership will share with the Council the proposed candidates for GNSO Council endorsement by 17 July 2019 at the latest.<span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
Council to consider proposed candidates for endorsement during 18 July 2019 GNSO Council meeting.<span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
GNSO Secretariat to submit EOIs of endorsed candidates by 31 July 2019 at the latest. <span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal">
All the EOIs of the candidates that meet the qualifications will be provided to the BAMC for evaluation and identification of new members.<span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">If you have any questions or concerns about this proposed process, please let us know as soon as possible. We appreciate that the timeline is short, but we hope this will
not prevent you from encouraging members who have the required skills and experience from applying. To be clear, nothing prevents those not seeking GNSO Council endorsement from submitting their applications directly to the BAMC. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">With best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Pam Little and Rafik Dammak, Vice Chairs, GNSO Council</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_correspondence_sanchez-2Dto-2Dsiddiqui-2Det-2Dal-2D26jun19-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=nB8wjB51BCGkGoYf3d1QMu8BvYola3KUSkUARFf64_Q&s=O4k5PeksbH8PKBf9gPIeTNc6uFW4qxu6BXOVz-IIlyM&e=" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/sanchez-to-siddiqui-et-al-26jun19-en.pdf</span>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The IOT has very important work remaining, including the finalization of a set of Updated Supplementary Procedures that will define the conduct of IRPs and assure that the
purposes of the IRP are upheld. These Procedures must also align with principles of international arbitration. As a result, those members of our community that you identify and encourage to join the IOT, should have the necessary legal or judicial skills and
experience in disputes such as IRPs, arbitrations, or other alternate dispute resolution processes. Specific familiarity with ICANN’s accountability mechanisms is another important skill that we hope to see amongst new members. No single candidate must bring
all of this experience, but as we look at the IOT as a whole, we are striving for a variety of experiences that, taken together, make the IOT well-suited to finalize a set of procedures to conduct IRP proceedings. IOT members must also have the time and availability
to attend at least a one hour call each week to participate on IOT telephonic meetings, as well as sufficient availability to contribute to the work online. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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