<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe to simplify this discussion, I will post section 2.6 of the <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/improvements/ncsg-charter-05may11-en.pdf">charter</a> section by section (also encouraging members to go through it and express issues if there is any): <br></div><div><br></div><div>2.6 The Financial Committee</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG Finance Committee is responsible for the following:<br>• Elect a Chair who will also serve as NCSG Treasurer;<br>• Determine rates for voluntary contributions from members;<br>• Develop and deploy a fund-‐raising plan for the NCSG;<br>• Work with the ICANN staff to determine levels of support available to the NCSG;<br>• Work with ICANN finance officers to ensure the NCSG and its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN;<br>• Accounting for any funds received by the NCSG from any source.</div><div><br></div><div>This accounting will include the following:<br>- All funds raised by voluntary membership fees or otherwise must be held in a separate NCSG account.<br>- Proper controls must be implemented.<br>Regarding Expenditures:<br>• All expenditures under 500 Euro may be made on the authority of the NCSG Treasurer<br>• All expenditures over 500 Euro must be approved by the NCSG-‐FC<br>-</div><div>Financial reports must be prepared annually and be made public.<br>• Provide internal conflict resolution process regarding funds.<br>• Provide the oversight of the Treasurer function.<br>• Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations within the ICANN structure.</div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Document methods and procedures used for accounting, reporting and budget creation. Such documentation is subject to review by the NCSG-‐EC.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My position on this section, I do not see anything wrong with the above mentioned (section 2.6, first part) of the Charter but the reasons for the proposed review is because there are some members feel that the FC:</div><div>- should not fundraise or deploy a fundraising plan<br></div><div>- has no audit responsibility<br></div><div>- should not engage ICANN finance</div><div>- has no authority and approval on expenditure</div><div>Note: All these statements made by the community are against the stipulation of the Charter<br></div><div><br></div><div>It is upto members who have expressed concerns and views on this, to comment, else the Charter will be left as is and will have to be adhered to fully without interference based on what some members feel the FC should be doing, regardless of opposing views on stipulations of the Charter itself. According to me the Charter is very clear and the review proposal seeks to acknowledge community inputs but if no review is supported then FC must follow the charter as it uses simple language. I don't want to call out names of people who had a problem with this section but would also encourage them to air their views, failing to do so will mean that the FC will operate according to stipulations of the Charter unless there are objections as in 2018 FC community discussions around Operating Procedures. This problem of the Charter delayed completion and adoption of FC operational procedures, thus the FC still has no clear way regarding its roles and responsibilities due to objections on the very same charter<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 5:49 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> I disagree with this</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_2533761386730138672gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><</span>The
legal text should have one interpretation. From other side Stephanie and other are right we have to follow the procedures of amandments and should be full proposal has the the text that that need to be amanded and suggested text. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Even in civil law, you have the text of the law and the interpretation of the law! Charter is like our constitution. You don't just change it because some don't like it.</div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
So I see after election and ICANN meeting we could establish a sub committee responsible for charter drafting to be responsible for review the charter, receiver proposals, make a draft for charter. And legal persons to be responsible for put final draft to
avoid multi-interpertation for the different texts. <br>
Mohamed Farahat <br>
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This is not personal Remmy, please don’t make that allegation. A member who wishes to change the charter must propose amendments and gather support. It is not sufficient to simply tell the chair to review the charter. See James’ comment. <br>
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On Jun 7, 2019, at 09:58, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">In other words what has been proposed was not "concrete" enough and you are complaining over sequence of voting?
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<div dir="auto">May be some of us needed some education on what you mean by "concrete proposal" and "demand for review" in your own terms. However, I think we should stop playing with semantics and face the reality. <br>
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<div>We can't continue to shy away from the fact even if raised by someone we may not like.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 14:03 Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks James. Plus, you need a concrete proposal for amendment, not just a demand for review.
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">As soon as you have all that I will be pleased to act on it.</font></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">HI Remmy,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just a point of process here, if you wish to propose an amendment to the NCSG charter please ensure that you are compliant with Section 5 of the NCSG Charter which reads as follows (Paraphrased for brevity):<u></u><u></u></p>
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Proposals to amend this charter may be submitted by 5% of the current members eligible to vote.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So the proposal and secondment by 2 members does not current constitute a valid proposal for amendment as per Section 5 of the Charter and is thus not valid.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So the correct statement would be that the ball is currently with you to collect signatures of 5% of the current membership of the NCSG (Based on current numbers this would be approx. 100 signatures depending on voting weights) in order
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<p class="MsoNormal">I trust this is valuable information for someone interested in revising said charter and that the correct process will be followed from here out,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: Proposal for NCSG Charter Amendment<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Frankly, I am surprised that you are still asking to see the specific reasons for this Proposal, that means something is terribly wrong then somewhere that I am yet to decipher.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Despite alluding to the fact there is need to review the Charter you still want some precise process. I really do not understand that.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Those things you listed as having not discussed or agreed on like fundraising etc were all in the Charter as FC role which, I merely brought them forward in the proposal to elucidate on the need for review and not personal views.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had expected you as the chair of NCSG to accept/acknowledge the proposal and make it EC agenda item in the next meeting ASAP and even forthcoming ICANN meeting agenda, and thereafter follow the process with timelines according our Charter
instance, not throwing it back to me again for whatever process.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have done my bit by proposing and got seconder from Thato. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ball is now over to NCSG EC please.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 01:44 Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span>Dear Thato and Remmy, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>Let me be more precise. What amendments are you proposing?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>The more concrete your proposals for revision are, the more quickly matters will be resolved. Drafting of any new Charter amendments does not fall to me, it is incumbent on those wishing to change it to make concrete proposals for change. I am aware
of the problems with the original Charter, but I expect there will be considerable divergence of views on what our priorities ought to be in making changes. For instance, we do not as a stakeholder group agree on the following:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span>My remarks were not intended to be a "throwback" but if you want changes, please be specific.
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<p><span>My priority, as stated earlier and in my candidate statement, is that we participate actively in ICANN's currently ongoing revision of the multi-stakeholder process/model. I would suggest that we wait till the ink is dry on that procedure, before
revising our Charter. I hope you will tune in on that discussion, and realize the gravity of the situation. There may be radical changes coming in our financial situation and methods of participation. However, you of course have the right under the Charter
to request revision. Just follow the process.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>Kind regards, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span>Stephanie Perrin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I second the motion to have the Charter reviewed. Thus far I have also noted that sections relating to the Finance Committee need some work to only contain what is applicable, besides the recent organizational vs the individual voting processes
that have recently emerged. The charter does not need to be followed partially but holistically without limitation since it is a guiding document on SG activities and processes. I am sure that there will be other amendments as a result of the proposed review.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Dear Stephanie and Colleagues in NCSG,<br>
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Apologies ahead for a lengthy mail.<br>
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1. I do not want to see this as a throwback from madam chair considering the time, which coincides with the ongoing NCSG election and related constituency blocs, I wish to propose for amendment of our NCSG Charter, which came into effect since May 5, 2011.<br>
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2. I am also aware that severally, you as chair among others agreed before now that the Charter needs to be reworked and that Executive Committee (EC) of NCSG has the mandate to present it to the house for review, if you so wish and which I think will be
more direct and will end the reoccurring dilemma during elections etc, which you have been trying to explain for a while and safe us the agony in the future.<br>
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3. The NCSG Charter in use was approved since May 5, 2011. We all know that in this Information and Communication Technology (ICT) sector, moreso the Internet or Domain Name System (DNS) industry, the level of disruptions have made it imperative for stakeholders
like us to be in tune with development rather than being hindered by our charter.<br>
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4. An instance is the aspect of the NCSG Charter which has to do with Finance Committee (Section 2.6) coupled with multiplicity of interpretations adduced by various members, which to the best of my ability has been the bane of why Finance Committee is not
and may not work optimally to the benefit of its stakeholders in line with its Charter mandate.<br>
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5. Inter alia the Section 2.6 stated:<br>
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6. “The NCSG Finance Committee is responsible for establishing a firm financial footing for the NCSG and administering NCSG funds within a defined framework that meets relevant legal requirements as well as requirements imposed by ICANN.<br>
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7. “The NCSG- FC’s responsibilities include fund raising, setting voluntary contribution levels for members, determining procedures for the distribution of funds, and for monitoring the utilization of funds.<br>
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8. “The NCSG-FC will also be responsible for the Treasurer function. Formation of the NCSG-‐FC, its composition, and duties within the NCSG-FC are set out in Section 2.6.”<br>
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9. We also had instance where an individual was elected into the EC of NCSG and still placed self for elective position for an Executive Committee of a Constituency within NCSG, as if we are lacking people. The truth is that since works here are largely
voluntary and for good governance, such loopholes should not exist or allowed to exist let alone uphold it. As such it negates transparency in leadership.<br>
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10.Motion for Amendment:<br>
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11. In accordance with (5.0 Amendments to the NCSG Charter) which states:<br>
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12. “Proposals to amend this charter may be submitted by five (5) percent of the then- current members eligible to vote, based on the weighted voting as defined in section 4.0. Proposals may also be put forward by the NCSG-EC or the ICANN Board of Directors
or one of the Board's committees.<br>
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13. “Amendments proposed by the NCSG members or the NCSG-EC will only take effect after there has been a membership review, approval by 60% vote of NCSG members using the weighted voting defined in section 4.0 and final review/approval by the ICANN Board
of Directors.<br>
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14. “Amendments proposed and approved by the ICANN Board of Directors or one of its Committees will only take effect after membership review and approval by 60% vote of the NCSG members using the weighted voting defined in section 4.0. The ICANN Board may
require proposed amendments to be posted for public comment prior to taking its decision on the proposal.”<br>
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15. So, based on the aforementioned instances, permit me to move a motion that the NCSG Charter (May 5, 2011) be amended in accordance with Section 5.0, and for EC to take every necessary steps to actualize this. I so moved.<br>
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Thanks and accept my highest regards.<br>
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Remmy Nweke<br>
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