<html><head></head><body>Hi Remmy,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Since I agree that the request to review the charter is vague, let me take a stab at asking specific questions I hope you can answer. I’m trying to understand what the issue with the Charter is, and what fix you are proposing. So far, I’m quite lost. At the risk of being mistaken, I’m guessing that the majority of the hundreds of NCSG members you are asking to participate in a vote on this are likely as confused as I am.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Please note that my questions are on the substance of your proposal to review/amend the Charter, not the process. I’m really trying to wrap my head around what problem you’re trying to solve. Please see below:</div><div class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@GMAIL.COM" class="">remmyn@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""/></div><div>[SNIP]</div><div><br class=""/></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font class=""><font size="4" class="">3. The NCSG Charter in use was approved since May 5, 2011. We all know that in this Information and Communication Technology (ICT) sector, moreso the Internet or Domain Name System (DNS) industry, the level of disruptions have made it imperative for stakeholders like us to be in tune with development rather than being hindered by our charter.</font><br class=""/><br class=""/><font size="4" class="">4. An instance is the aspect of the NCSG Charter which has to do with Finance Committee (Section 2.6) coupled with multiplicity of interpretations adduced by various members, which to the best of my ability has been the bane of why Finance Committee is not and may not work optimally to the benefit of its stakeholders in line with its Charter mandate.</font><br class=""/></font></div></blockquote></div><div><br class=""/></div><div>I’m assuming that the part in the Charter on the NCSG Finance Committee is what you are referring to as a hinderance to the NCSG. Could you please clarify why you believe this to be the case? Specifically, please point out exactly which sections in the Charter are a hinderance, as well as practical examples that the NCSG has faced (I mean what really happened, even if just from your perspective) and had trouble with in the past due to this hinderance.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Also, if the problem is limited to interpretation of the Charter (an assumption on my part, which you could correct me on, if I’m mistaken), could this not be solved in a simpler, quicker and by a less process-heavy means than revising the Charter. A Charter revision is a huge process involving ICANN Policy Staff and the Organizational Effectiveness Committee of the ICANN Board. And that only really kicks in following an extensive process the NCSG needs to go through in order to amend the Charter. Optimistically, this would take 1-2 years, but might very well take longer as has been the case in the past.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font class=""><br class=""/><font size="4" class="">9. We also had instance where an individual was elected into the EC of NCSG and still placed self for elective position for an Executive Committee of a Constituency within NCSG, as if we are lacking people. The truth is that since works here are largely voluntary and for good governance, such loopholes should not exist or allowed to exist let alone uphold it. As such it negates transparency in leadership.</font><br class=""/></font></div></blockquote></div><div><br class=""/></div><div>I’m not sure there is anything really wrong with this. The NCSG and NCUC are two separate structures. Speaking for myself, being a member of NCSG, while not being a member of either of the Constituencies existing within the NCSG, I don’t really care whether a member of the NCSG EC is also serving on the NCUC or NPOC ECs. All I care about is that this individual has the time and capacity to carry out the functions for which her or she was elected or appointed.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>So long as whoever involved is transparent about seeking to serve in more than one capacity, I don’t see what the issue is. Ultimately, the members of the NCSG elect a Chair that serves on the NCSG EC, while the NCUC and NPOC appoint representatives to the NCSG EC using their own internal processes. How they do this internally within their Constituencies is really none of the NCSG’s business, so I’m not seeing how the NCSG Charter has anything to do with this. Am I missing something? So, what is the section in the NCSG Charter you’d like reviewed on this issue, and what amendments are you proposing?</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Remmy, since you’re asking members of the NCSG to vote in favor of a review, then eventually vote for or against specific amendments, please help us all understand what you view to be the problem. I’m frankly surprised this thread has gone on for so long without this being done. Should have been in your first email suggesting the review.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br class=""/></div><div>Amr</div><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 7, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@GMAIL.COM" class="">remmyn@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Madam chair,</div><div dir="auto" class="">In other words what has been proposed was not "concrete" enough and you are complaining over sequence of voting?<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class="">May be some of us needed some education on what you mean by "concrete proposal" and "demand for review" in your own terms. However, I think we should stop playing with semantics and face the reality. <br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">We can't continue to shy away from the fact even if raised by someone we may not like.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best of the day.</div></div></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 14:03 Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">Thanks James. Plus, you need a concrete proposal for amendment, not just a demand for review.
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<div class="gmail-m_-5878054637582350968gmail-m_-6667028767050771419m_3048928879305308858moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-06-07 08:47, James Gannon wrote:<br class=""/>
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<div class="gmail-m_-5878054637582350968gmail-m_-6667028767050771419m_3048928879305308858WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">HI Remmy,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Just a point of process here, if you wish to propose an amendment to the NCSG charter please ensure that you are compliant with Section 5 of the NCSG Charter which reads as follows (Paraphrased for brevity):<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_-5878054637582350968gmail-m_-6667028767050771419m_3048928879305308858MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm">Proposals to amend this charter may be submitted by 5% of the current members eligible to vote.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So the proposal and secondment by 2 members does not current constitute a valid proposal for amendment as per Section 5 of the Charter and is thus not valid.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So the correct statement would be that the ball is currently with you to collect signatures of 5% of the current membership of the NCSG (Based on current numbers this would be approx. 100 signatures depending on voting weights) in order
to proceed with your amendment proposal.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I trust this is valuable information for someone interested in revising said charter and that the correct process will be followed from here out,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">-James Gannon<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p>
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<b class="">Reply-To: </b>Remmy Nweke <a class="gmail-m_-5878054637582350968gmail-m_-6667028767050771419m_3048928879305308858moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:remmyn@GMAIL.COM" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
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<b class="">Date: </b>Friday, 7 June 2019 at 13:51<br class=""/>
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<b class="">Subject: </b>Re: Proposal for NCSG Charter Amendment<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Frankly, I am surprised that you are still asking to see the specific reasons for this Proposal, that means something is terribly wrong then somewhere that I am yet to decipher.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Despite alluding to the fact there is need to review the Charter you still want some precise process. I really do not understand that.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Those things you listed as having not discussed or agreed on like fundraising etc were all in the Charter as FC role which, I merely brought them forward in the proposal to elucidate on the need for review and not personal views.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I had expected you as the chair of NCSG to accept/acknowledge the proposal and make it EC agenda item in the next meeting ASAP and even forthcoming ICANN meeting agenda, and thereafter follow the process with timelines according our Charter
instance, not throwing it back to me again for whatever process.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I have done my bit by proposing and got seconder from Thato. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">The ball is now over to NCSG EC please.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Remmy Nweke<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 01:44 Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class=""><span class="">Dear Thato and Remmy,
</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class=""><span class="">Let me be more precise. What amendments are you proposing?</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class=""><span class="">The more concrete your proposals for revision are, the more quickly matters will be resolved. Drafting of any new Charter amendments does not fall to me, it is incumbent
on those wishing to change it to make concrete proposals for change. I am aware of the problems with the original Charter, but I expect there will be considerable divergence of views on what our priorities ought to be in making changes. For instance, we do
not as a stakeholder group agree on the following:</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<span class="">Should we have membership fees?</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<span class="">Should we incorporate?
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<span class="">Should we fundraise?</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></li></ul><p class=""><span class="">My remarks were not intended to be a "throwback" but if you want changes, please be specific.
</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class=""><span class="">My priority, as stated earlier and in my candidate statement, is that we participate actively in ICANN's currently ongoing revision of the multi-stakeholder process/model.
I would suggest that we wait till the ink is dry on that procedure, before revising our Charter. I hope you will tune in on that discussion, and realize the gravity of the situation. There may be radical changes coming in our financial situation and methods
of participation. However, you of course have the right under the Charter to request revision. Just follow the process.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class=""><span class="">Kind regards,
</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class=""><span class="">Stephanie Perrin</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 2019-06-06 17:38, Thato Mfikwe wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I second the motion to have the Charter reviewed. Thus far I have also noted that sections relating to the Finance Committee need some work to only contain what is applicable, besides the recent organizational vs the individual voting processes
that have recently emerged. The charter does not need to be followed partially but holistically without limitation since it is a guiding document on SG activities and processes. I am sure that there will be other amendments as a result of the proposed review.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Thato Mfikwe<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 8:49 PM Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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Dear Stephanie and Colleagues in NCSG,<br class=""/>
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Apologies ahead for a lengthy mail.<br class=""/>
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1. I do not want to see this as a throwback from madam chair considering the time, which coincides with the ongoing NCSG election and related constituency blocs, I wish to propose for amendment of our NCSG Charter, which came into effect since May 5, 2011.<br class=""/>
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2. I am also aware that severally, you as chair among others agreed before now that the Charter needs to be reworked and that Executive Committee (EC) of NCSG has the mandate to present it to the house for review, if you so wish and which I think will be
more direct and will end the reoccurring dilemma during elections etc, which you have been trying to explain for a while and safe us the agony in the future.<br class=""/>
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3. The NCSG Charter in use was approved since May 5, 2011. We all know that in this Information and Communication Technology (ICT) sector, moreso the Internet or Domain Name System (DNS) industry, the level of disruptions have made it imperative for stakeholders
like us to be in tune with development rather than being hindered by our charter.<br class=""/>
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4. An instance is the aspect of the NCSG Charter which has to do with Finance Committee (Section 2.6) coupled with multiplicity of interpretations adduced by various members, which to the best of my ability has been the bane of why Finance Committee is not
and may not work optimally to the benefit of its stakeholders in line with its Charter mandate.<br class=""/>
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5. Inter alia the Section 2.6 stated:<br class=""/>
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6. “The NCSG Finance Committee is responsible for establishing a firm financial footing for the NCSG and administering NCSG funds within a defined framework that meets relevant legal requirements as well as requirements imposed by ICANN.<br class=""/>
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7. “The NCSG- FC’s responsibilities include fund raising, setting voluntary contribution levels for members, determining procedures for the distribution of funds, and for monitoring the utilization of funds.<br class=""/>
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8. “The NCSG-FC will also be responsible for the Treasurer function. Formation of the NCSG-‐FC, its composition, and duties within the NCSG-FC are set out in Section 2.6.”<br class=""/>
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9. We also had instance where an individual was elected into the EC of NCSG and still placed self for elective position for an Executive Committee of a Constituency within NCSG, as if we are lacking people. The truth is that since works here are largely
voluntary and for good governance, such loopholes should not exist or allowed to exist let alone uphold it. As such it negates transparency in leadership.<br class=""/>
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10.Motion for Amendment:<br class=""/>
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11. In accordance with (5.0 Amendments to the NCSG Charter) which states:<br class=""/>
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12. “Proposals to amend this charter may be submitted by five (5) percent of the then- current members eligible to vote, based on the weighted voting as defined in section 4.0. Proposals may also be put forward by the NCSG-EC or the ICANN Board of Directors
or one of the Board's committees.<br class=""/>
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13. “Amendments proposed by the NCSG members or the NCSG-EC will only take effect after there has been a membership review, approval by 60% vote of NCSG members using the weighted voting defined in section 4.0 and final review/approval by the ICANN Board
of Directors.<br class=""/>
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14. “Amendments proposed and approved by the ICANN Board of Directors or one of its Committees will only take effect after membership review and approval by 60% vote of the NCSG members using the weighted voting defined in section 4.0. The ICANN Board may
require proposed amendments to be posted for public comment prior to taking its decision on the proposal.”<br class=""/>
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15. So, based on the aforementioned instances, permit me to move a motion that the NCSG Charter (May 5, 2011) be amended in accordance with Section 5.0, and for EC to take every necessary steps to actualize this. I so moved.<br class=""/>
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