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<p class="MsoNormal">The former UNDESA payment I was aware of, I have never heard of (Before today) the host country paying it since the discontinuation of the UNDESA payment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 7 June 2019 at 22:31<br>
<b>To: </b>James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I thought it was reasonably well-known that the MAG Chair was paid.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Though previously paid by UNDESA, I understand it is now the host country which funds this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The rationale, as noted in Samantha Dickinson's <a href="https://linguasynaptica.com/category/un/igf/page/2/" target="_blank" title="https://linguasynaptica.com/category/un/igf/page/2/">
blog</a>, is as follows: <i>"In an effort to improve IGF more long-term, this year, UN DESA took the extraordinary step of paying the MAG Chair to oversee work to address the ongoing funding shortfall for the IGF as well as “set up the 2nd decade to meet the
potential of the IGF”.[3]</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>[3] The decision to pay the MAG Chair raises an important issue for the multistakeholder IGF: while governments and the large businesses can afford to fund the activities of their staff performing the role of MAG Chair, civil society,
least developed country governments and SMEs generally do not have such resources. Paying or reimbursing MAG Chairs might be the only way to diversify representation at that level, but also risks creating the sort of Internet governance gravy train already
seen in some ICANN constituencies."</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note that she is paid substantially less than the former Executive Coordinator was (though their roles are different, the MAG Chair has absorbed many of these responsibilities).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Friday, 7 June 2019 22:16, James Gannon <james@CYBERINVASION.NET> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Not mentioned in the IGF Financial Docs at all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Could you give a pointer to the data?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann@FERDELINE.COM><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <icann@FERDELINE.COM><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 7 June 2019 at 21:52<br>
<b>To: </b>"NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: IGF 2020 to be held in Poland</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>It is not an allegation. It is a fact. If members of the MAG are unaware, I suggest that they read the historical documents on the IGF website. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Ayden<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 15:26, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM">arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden, do you have a way to prouve these “allegations” about the stipend paid to the MAG Chair?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is unknown from most of us on the MAG and it is known that this is volunteer work!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would appreciate to hear more on this!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> On 07 Jun 2019, at 14:53, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> That sounds plausible to me. I believe the meeting in Guadalajara cost $6 million, but keep in mind the Mexican government chose to re-paint the conference venue as it had been open for over a year and had only hosted one other conference
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<p class="MsoNormal">> And I believe the host pays the stipend for the MAG Chair, which is in excess of $125,000 for the four days of the IGF meeting, along with her substantial business class travel costs representing the IGF at external fora such as the WEF
throughout the year. Anecdotally I am told her annual travel costs far more than her stipend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> And there are other costs involved that we do not see, in terms of paying for transcription, translation for high-level sessions, catering for high-level participants, the invitation-only gala for governments and friends of the MAG chair,
bringing in security from New York, travel for MAG members, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> On Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:47, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Arsène do you have a source for your numbers? Not that I doubt them, but I'd be curious to have a more granular understanding of the expenses related to an IGF meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> Chengetai said something like this: Host countries do not have to share the budget with us (read, the IGF Secretariat). But the cost is generally between $2-3M, less than that if it is at UN facilities.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> You can check when the recording of the MAG meeting will be out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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