<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi Kathy </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Yes sorry I wanted the statement be brief. The additional data elements are what new gtld registries ask for from the registrants. For example .Lawyer might ask for a bar (law not liquor) license. As the new gtlds expand these additional data elements can be hundreds of personal info such as driver's license, identification cards etc. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am going to elaborate on this statement and the recommendations in the Google doc. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:45 AM Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>H Farzaneh,</p>
<p>Tx to the amazing work of the NCSG EPDP team, and for your
posting below.<i> Question: can you provide us with a bit more
detail about the "additional potentially personal and sensitive
data elements that are 'identified by Registry Operator in its
registration policy'"? </i><i><br>
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<p><i>What types of elements are being discussed? </i><br>
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<p>Best and tx, Kathy<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_1644384078556915552moz-cite-prefix">On 2/13/2019 8:13 PM, farzaneh badii
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The Council is
going to vote on the motion to approve the recommendations
of EPDP tomorrow (Thursday). We are at the final stages of
our deliberations at EPDP and it is almost done. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The council has to
vote on this report (attached) as a whole and cannot vote
on recommendations separately. This makes our work a bit
difficult because we do not agree with all the
recommendations. One approach would be for NCSG councilors
to approve the report but make a short statement for our
own record. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have been
discussing the concerns for a couple of weeks on this list
so there is nothing new and I hope that we can direct our
councilors tomorrow to make this statement if they can:</div>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">NCSG statement/ For GNSO Council Meeting, 14 February </span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Despite an unrealistic timeline, EPDP achieved its goal and delivered the final report. We are positive about the final report and our councilors have voted for its approval. But we are concerned with some aspects of the report and would like to record our concerns.</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The report has included additional potentially personal and sensitive data elements that are “identified by Registry Operator in its registration policy." There was no justifiable reason to include these additional data elements in the report, nor was it justifiable to formulate purposes that could relate to processing these additional elements. These additional data elements were not included in Temp Spec either. We are concerned about subjecting these additional data elements to this policy and warn the ICANN community and domain name registrants that due to this addition even more sensitive and personal data might be disclosed to third parties on a global scale. </span></p></li>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Data protection should be provided for all domain name registrants globally regardless of their location. Discriminatory treatment of domain name registrants and providing some with less data protection is not justified, especially as we are moving towards disclosing domain name registrants data to third parties "globally".</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Verdana;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:11pt;white-space:pre-wrap">We believe "disclosure" of data to third parties is not an ICANN purpose for processing the data. </span></p></li>
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We thank the EPDP, its leadership and ICANN staff for achieving this milestone. We hope that with this policy by cultivating a privacy-respecting culture at ICANN, protecting the personal data of domain name registrants becomes a norm, and not remain an exception. </span></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Comments are
welcome (I think we have some hours) but since
Councilors are going to read this statement out I give
them the liberty of changing the tone or re-doing the
statement.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div>
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Kathy Kleiman
Visiting Scholar, Center for Information Technology, Princeton University
President (on leave), Domain Name Rights Coalition</pre>
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