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<p>Hi Ayden, </p>
<p>Thanks for this. Indeed, the Strategic Plan and two-year
budgetary process comments seem well suited for emphasizing the
need to dedicate resources to WS2 implementation. I don't see any
harm in mentioning it in the annual budget comment as well to keep
it on the radar, though. It seems telling that the board itself
raised it as an issue during their meeting!</p>
<p>Greetings from London,<br>
Collin<br>
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<div>Good question! I think implementation planning for Work
Stream 2 is still under way, so I am not sure that I would
expect to see funding for implementation in this budget. However
some of these activities could be included within the rather
large contingency figure (that ICANN does not break out). There
are another two comments currently open for input; one on the
Strategic Plan and priorities for 2021-2025, and the other on
the two-year budgetary process. Perhaps one of these would be a
suitable vehicle for commenting on WS 2 implementation?<br>
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<p>It was pointed out to me that the budget hasn't accounted for
WS2 implementation costs which seems unwise at this point
given the magnitude of resources needed to fully effectuate
the recommendations. Would love to get any thoughts on why
this wasn't done so?<br>
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<p>Thanks,<br>
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<p>Akriti, <br>
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<p>Center for Internet and Society<br>
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<div>Thanks a lot for all this info. I suppose indeed that
there is a form of discretion involved in Board decisions.
I agree that a macro view is also relevant in the context
of our comment.<br>
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<div>Once a year we have the opportunity to submit a
Special Budget Request to ICANN Org to request funding
or resources for an ad hoc project (after something has
been funded for three consecutive years, it generally
becomes a part of the core budget). In the past we have
submitted requests for training, website hosting and
server maintenance, travel to and registration for
conferences like INTA, the IGF, and RightsCon, and other
projects which have been granted. Some requests have
been rejected as well. How ICANN Org determines which
requests to recommend the Board approve or reject is
something of a black box, at least to me. Other support
we have, and which forms a part of the current, core
budgetary process, is staff support. The NCSG has one
FTE whereas the ALAC has a good many more -- at least
eight. This is where we can also comment on the
resourcing that we don't receive, and which other parts
of the community do and which perhaps we would find
useful, like interpretation/translation services or
software licensing, i.e. for Slack.<br>
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<div>But, I would stress, we should not only be reviewing
the budget for items which directly impact our
Stakeholder Group or Constituencies. The budget is where
resources are allocated to implement the policy/policies
that the community has developed. So it is also
important - if not more important - to monitor the
budget to understand what resources are being allocated
(or not being allocated) in furtherance of our policy
objectives.<br>
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<div>Thanks for the clarification Ayden. Actually,
when we discuss funds, is there anything besides
travel support and money for administrative business
like website and the like? And what are the criteria
under which ICANN "allocates" funds (if there is
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<div>I would tend to agree on this point with
Ayden. The facts and outputs talks for itself.<br>
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<div>Just to clarify, I am not suggesting
that the ALAC mismanages its funds --
rather, I am suggesting that there is not
fairness in how funds are being allocated,
as the ALAC receives significantly more
resources than the GNSO does. I do not
begrudge the ALAC for procuring such
substantial resources; I just think we
need to be getting more assistance too, as
any objective observer would note that the
GNSO's outputs do exceed those of the
ALAC.<br>
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<div>Thank you Ayden.<br>
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<div>I think more flexibility around
translation and interpretation is a
better path forward. UN languages are
the outcome of a 1940's political
choice. While there are somewhat
representative at the most macro
level, I don't see why they should
determine any statutorily availability
of languages services at ICANN.<br>
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<div>Translation and interpretation
achieve different objectives and do
not have the same cost structure...
While I think the more translation the
better (for purposes of outreach and
information), interpretation should be
provided more flexibly and where it
would be really useful, e.g. in the
local language of where the ICANN
meeting is taking place. Maybe that is
something that is already done?<br>
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<div>As for the analysis of FTE's by
Ayden, I think there might be
accounting quirks here and there that
lead to some of those issues. I don't
see any harm in asking though. I'm not
sure however we are necessarily in a
position to directly questions things
such as choosing salesforce over
another CRM. At least I am not; and
even if we have individuals among us
who are, I don't necessarily think we
should focus on that.<br>
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<div>Same with ALAC funding; on what
basis is ICANN allocating funds
anyway? That a constituency mismanages
its funds (as you seem to be alleging
Ayden) is unfortunate, but I don't
think it is our place to point fingers
in the context of a public comment
like this. If GNSO/NCSG does not
receive its fair share (or whatever it
is entitled to), that is another deal.<br>
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<div>I don't have a view over the
specifics of how changes in numbers to
either CROP or other participation
funding has impacted engagement,
policy output, etc, so I'll pass on
that in the context of the budget
comment.<br>
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<div>A nice day or night to all,<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>This seems like a much more
intelligent approach to me, rather
than pretending we are the UN with
the full access to resources that
comes with that! Strongly support
putting this into a comment
against the budget and also
potentially into a letter to the
language services team directly.<br>
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an English speaker, I'm
always a bit hesitant
about jumping into this
issue, as I know I have
the privilege/advantage of
having my native language
as the default. It's quite
possible that ICANN's main
concern here is the
optics, but that's not
something to be entirely
discounted either. As an
organization that strives
to be international and
inclusive, I think they
like having a UN-esque
model of translation.
Still - I wonder if there
isn't a better way of
doing things, like
potentially arranging an
opt-in system, where users
could pre-request language
services for a meeting,
and they'd only be
provided if a certain
number of people
registered for a given
language. That could also
help them be better
targeted as well - and
have interpreters in the
sessions where they're
most needed, as opposed to
just in the main rooms by
default. May be something
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