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<p>Hi all, <br>
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<p>It was pointed out to me that the budget hasn't accounted for WS2
implementation costs which seems unwise at this point given the
magnitude of resources needed to fully effectuate the
recommendations. Would love to get any thoughts on why this wasn't
done so?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Akriti, <br>
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<p>Center for Internet and Society<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Ayden, all
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<div>Thanks a lot for all this info. I suppose indeed that there
is a form of discretion involved in Board decisions. I agree
that a macro view is also relevant in the context of our
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<div>Once a year we have the opportunity to submit a Special
Budget Request to ICANN Org to request funding or resources
for an ad hoc project (after something has been funded for
three consecutive years, it generally becomes a part of the
core budget). In the past we have submitted requests for
training, website hosting and server maintenance, travel to
and registration for conferences like INTA, the IGF, and
RightsCon, and other projects which have been granted. Some
requests have been rejected as well. How ICANN Org
determines which requests to recommend the Board approve or
reject is something of a black box, at least to me. Other
support we have, and which forms a part of the current, core
budgetary process, is staff support. The NCSG has one FTE
whereas the ALAC has a good many more -- at least eight.
This is where we can also comment on the resourcing that we
don't receive, and which other parts of the community do and
which perhaps we would find useful, like
interpretation/translation services or software licensing,
i.e. for Slack.<br>
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<div>But, I would stress, we should not only be reviewing the
budget for items which directly impact our Stakeholder Group
or Constituencies. The budget is where resources are
allocated to implement the policy/policies that the
community has developed. So it is also important - if not
more important - to monitor the budget to understand what
resources are being allocated (or not being allocated) in
furtherance of our policy objectives.<br>
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<div>Thanks for the clarification Ayden. Actually, when we
discuss funds, is there anything besides travel support
and money for administrative business like website and
the like? And what are the criteria under which ICANN
"allocates" funds (if there is such a thing) <br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>I would tend to agree on this point with Ayden.
The facts and outputs talks for itself.<br>
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<div>Just to clarify, I am not suggesting that
the ALAC mismanages its funds -- rather, I am
suggesting that there is not fairness in how
funds are being allocated, as the ALAC
receives significantly more resources than the
GNSO does. I do not begrudge the ALAC for
procuring such substantial resources; I just
think we need to be getting more assistance
too, as any objective observer would note that
the GNSO's outputs do exceed those of the
ALAC.<br>
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<div>Thank you Ayden.<br>
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<div>I think more flexibility around
translation and interpretation is a better
path forward. UN languages are the outcome
of a 1940's political choice. While there
are somewhat representative at the most
macro level, I don't see why they should
determine any statutorily availability of
languages services at ICANN.<br>
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<div>Translation and interpretation achieve
different objectives and do not have the
same cost structure... While I think the
more translation the better (for purposes
of outreach and information),
interpretation should be provided more
flexibly and where it would be really
useful, e.g. in the local language of
where the ICANN meeting is taking place.
Maybe that is something that is already
done?<br>
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<div>As for the analysis of FTE's by Ayden,
I think there might be accounting quirks
here and there that lead to some of those
issues. I don't see any harm in asking
though. I'm not sure however we are
necessarily in a position to directly
questions things such as choosing
salesforce over another CRM. At least I am
not; and even if we have individuals among
us who are, I don't necessarily think we
should focus on that.<br>
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<div>Same with ALAC funding; on what basis
is ICANN allocating funds anyway? That a
constituency mismanages its funds (as you
seem to be alleging Ayden) is unfortunate,
but I don't think it is our place to point
fingers in the context of a public comment
like this. If GNSO/NCSG does not receive
its fair share (or whatever it is entitled
to), that is another deal.<br>
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<div>I don't have a view over the specifics
of how changes in numbers to either CROP
or other participation funding has
impacted engagement, policy output, etc,
so I'll pass on that in the context of the
budget comment.<br>
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<div>A nice day or night to all,<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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<div>This seems like a much more
intelligent approach to me, rather
than pretending we are the UN with the
full access to resources that comes
with that! Strongly support putting
this into a comment against the budget
and also potentially into a letter to
the language services team directly.<br>
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<div><span
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style="font-size:12px">As an
English speaker, I'm always a
bit hesitant about jumping
into this issue, as I know I
have the privilege/advantage
of having my native language
as the default. It's quite
possible that ICANN's main
concern here is the optics,
but that's not something to be
entirely discounted either. As
an organization that strives
to be international and
inclusive, I think they like
having a UN-esque model of
translation. Still - I wonder
if there isn't a better way of
doing things, like potentially
arranging an opt-in system,
where users could pre-request
language services for a
meeting, and they'd only be
provided if a certain number
of people registered for a
given language. That could
also help them be better
targeted as well - and have
interpreters in the sessions
where they're most needed, as
opposed to just in the main
rooms by default. May be
something that's worth
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