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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am afraid James is right. This is just sheer confusion, perhaps the terminology is the problem. IoT using various WiFi technologies (home lighting, Alexa, thermostats,
cameras) is not what is used to guide an autonomous vehicle as it makes split-second decisions to turn, stop, accelerate, etc. Any moving vehicle that relied on public global DNS to make such decisions would not last 30 minutes on the road.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What exactly is the motive of people insisting that technologies that will not and cannot rely on pubic internet are using DNS and IP?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: new paper from the IWGDPT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No sorry, please stop guys, connected vehicles are not IoT devices. People are really speaking here about areas they have little or no experience with not information on the current technical landscape, the regulatory frameworks or the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I think when we use the term connected vehicles, we are referring to an IoT device so IP is definitely there as Farell referred to the low energy version
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The DNS latency (as Milton mentioned) is definitely a challenge in IoT/connected "vehicle guidance" but that is something which depends on a multitude
of parameters particularly the access technology LTE/EvDo/WiFi/WIMAX/Zigbee etc.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">And so, when we talk to IoT (e.g. Connected Vehicle) DNS and IP are there. See for example the use of DNSNA and multicast-DNS in the IoT space. Moreover
think of the DNS rebinding attacks on IoT devices. Similarly, think of the 2016 Dyn attack, that was accomplished through DNS lookup requests from a huge number of IoT devices.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">So yea, IoT devices (could be a connected vehicle, a toy, an IP camera etc) is closely linked to IP and DNS but I don't know if this is something which
relates to NCSG at this point in time. thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1542273855160_47194"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 12, 2018 11:20 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: new paper from the IWGDPT</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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While I don't know if any of this is relevant to NCSG now or ever, I'm<br>
pretty sure some of the examples in the paper did use and depend on<br>
public DNS (at least the one I know a bit more about, NordicWay COOP).<br>
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So I think Stephanie was not far off the mark in higlighting this as<br>
something that might become a thing of concern to NCSG at some point.<br>
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But the point about DNS latency is good. I should check if they<br>
considered the potential impact of DNS problems.<br>
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On Nov 11 20:41, Mueller, Milton L (<a href="mailto:milton@GATECH.EDU">milton@GATECH.EDU</a>) wrote:<br>
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> Steph:<br>
> This paper deals with connected vehicles. You say that domain names will “undoubtedly be involved” at some point. I seriously don’t think they will be. The latency involved in resolving domain names would not be suitable for vehicle guidance. It’s not even
clear that internet protocol will be involved in these technologies.<br>
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> FWIW<br>
> --MM<br>
> <br>
> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Stephanie Perrin<br>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 11:46 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> Subject: new paper from the IWGDPT<br>
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> This is slightly off-topic, but members of this list who track IOT and privacy might be interested in this recently released paper from the Berlin Group (aka the International Working Group on Data Protection in Telecommunications). No specific focus on
the DNS but this working paper is a good roundup of latest data protection thinking on this topic. There will undoubtedly be domain names involved at some point, the question seems to me to be who will control the data from a content perspective.<br>
> <br>
> Stephanie Perrin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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