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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">+1 Amr</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-10-05 06:45, Amr Elsadr wrote:<br>
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Hi,
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<div class="">I don’t believe that combating cybercrime is within
the scope of ICANN’s mandate, nor do I believe it should be.
There are responsible authorities out there who are meant to do
this. ICANN is a private-sector not-for-profit corp. meant to be
coordinating the Internet’s unique identifiers, not hunting down
cybercriminals.</div>
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<div class="">There are some who interpret ICANN’s mission of
ensuring a stable, secure and reliable DNS to include issues
such as cybercrime, however, I find this to be an expansive
interpretation.</div>
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<div class="">I’m not saying cybercrime is a good thing that we
don’t need to worry about. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t
encourage ICANN to play the role of cyber-cops. I generally
agree with the approach briefly described by Ayden below. There
may be times when LEAs may need access to redacted gTLD
registration data. Under the right circumstances, this access
may be allowed in order to facilitate investigations. As Ayden
said, this requires accountability of the actors involved, and
needs to be specifically proportionate to their needs.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks.</div>
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<div class="">Amr</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 5, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Ade Bo <<a
href="mailto:adebodea@GMAIL.COM" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">adebodea@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div>
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Ayden,
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<div class="">I totally agree on the balance necessary i
am just wondering how we could help improve or what
could we suggest to be done better or in a different
manner so we can tackle somehow the civil liberties
and at the same time think of the cybercrime issue
that is on the rise.</div>
<div class="">I totally agree with your statement Ayden,
although just because one cop or maybe a few are doing
or have done unspeakable things it does not mean that
we can do justice without them. Its sad to see such
cases but i am sure great people are out there
fighting crime so what would be the best solution?</div>
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<div class="">Kind Regards </div>
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<div class="">Adela<br class="">
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<div class="">On 5 Oct 2018, at 10:59, Ayden
Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="">We do need to strike the right
balance between privacy and security; it
doesn’t have to be an either/or situation.
We can protect civil liberties while also
addressing cybercrime that may exist in the
Domain Name System. </div>
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<div class="">Indeed, when we have talked
about the future availability of domain name
registration data, the NCSG has acknowledged
that law enforcement may have a need to
access these records, because they do have a
need to tackle cybercrime. But they should
do so in a proportionate and accountable
manner.</div>
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<div class="">Just yesterday we learned of a <a
href="https://www.zdnet.com/article/french-police-officer-caught-selling-confidential-police-data-on-the-dark-web/"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">French
police officer</a> who was selling
confidential police data on the dark web.
This is not a common occurrence, but it goes
to show why we cannot blindly trust law
enforcement to do ‘the right thing’ and to
use their access for ‘good’ purposes.</div>
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<div class="">We want people to have the
freedom to use the DNS to express their
thoughts and to assemble freely, and while
some people might abuse it from time to
time, that alone is not reason enough to
allow governments or others to trample over
our civil and personal liberties. </div>
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<div class="">Kind regards,</div>
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<div class="">Ayden</div>
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<div class="">On 5 Oct 2018, at 09:38,
Ade Bo <<a
href="mailto:adebodea@gmail.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">adebodea@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Hello Johan, <br
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I guess you might be right in some
why, but lets just say it’s not
just about the rights of the good
people registering genuine
businesses and doing good. Lets
just say people register domains
not just for the good but also for
harming others, like children.<br
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In that case till now even if they
were not the ones that were
supposed to take care of these
issues they tried to help.<br
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If we think that ICANN changed and
switched so have businesses,
criminals and other things
together with the technological
evolution. Furthermore if we think
that if ICANN would not have hands
on the domain name registration
others will not either we are
really far from the truth. <br
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Sometimes we want to do good and
be free of surveil but we also do
harm for those who have no
protection from the criminals.
This brings me to the see that
there is a huge gap between what
we want and what people are
capable of doing. We want total
freedom but are we ready to fight
the crime online as well?<br
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On
5 Oct 2018, at 09:22, Johan
Helsingius <<a
href="mailto:julf@JULF.COM"
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moz-do-not-send="true">julf@JULF.COM</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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On 05-10-18 00:46, Kathy Kleiman
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">I
hope I'm not too late too. /I
would like to know why ICANN
has<br class="">
decided to re-make itself from
being a manager and custodian
of the<br class="">
Internet infrastructure to
being the data miner of the
domain name<br class="">
registration data of 140+
million gTLD domain name
registrants? When and<br
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why did our priorities and
goals so radically change and
how can we<br class="">
change them back?/<br class="">
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I guess it happened at the same
time enforcement of intellectual<br
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property become one of the core
purposes of ICANN.<br class="">
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<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Julf<br
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